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Yeah, gasoline. Or as I like to call it. Go-Juice. I think Its time we found an alternative. I like to compare the carbon footprint of my maxi to a kenworth big rig. There can't be much difference, seeing as we BURN OIL. Anyone ever attempted to machine an E50 into a 4 cycle. Hint*-timing chain& overhead cam.

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lmao sweet naievete

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diemler is gunna get so many emails from me. They need to design A new puch. One that is 4 cycle, and runs on ethanol.

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or you could modify your frame and drop in a 4 stroke honda 50cc engine. a lot easier and cheaper. especially since diamaler doesn't even own puch any more.

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you can run synthetic oil which tecnically doesnt have any petroleum in it i think

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Or buy a passport or a new Honda Metropolitan. I still say for miles traveled per amount of fuel burned mopeds are as "green" as they can be, yes they pollute but there are so few of them in this country...It does not bother me. Way more chainsaws, weedwhackers, lawn boys in use than mopeds, clean them up first. Just my 2 cents.

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You know when you're stuck behind some dumptruck in stop-and-go traffic and he belches out black sooty smoke every time he has shifts gears?

...that three seconds is your moped running for a month.

There's a reason why we use gasoline: It's the best balance of availability, efficiency, and cleanliness (within reason).

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Word!

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well, You should start by putting an expansion chamber on it. This will help take care of the unburnt hydrocarbons that drip from your pipe. Also see if you can find some good ol' fashioned Castrol (the type made from castor beans). The downside is that castor based oils can leave horrible deposits in your engine. Running lower compression should help eliminate some of the NOx gas (or design an EGR system). The only thing green about mopeds is how little resources you are using, It would be an interesting project to see how clean you can make a 2stroke burn.

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If you are running a high quality synthetic on a well tuned bike they aren't all that bad.

I've thought about converting a GY6 scooter to run on ethanol.

What's better than getting 80mpg? Getting 80 mpg at $0.60/gallon.

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ethanol is not the answer u r still running carbon junk just lower grade and other than running our economy u will lose power

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Well first of all ethanol is not 60 cents a gallon. In my town it is about 60 cents cheaper than 87 though. And second of all you lose some MPG and you will need to up jet to so you don't run lean.

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Ethanol's a huge waste. It doesn't burn as efficient, it absorbs moisture, and it still pollutes. Plus, it's only cheaper because it's government subsidized right now. Think of 60 cents cheaper than gasoline as kind of a "promotional price" to get you off of foreign oil. The worst part is, ethanol is probably the _most_ wasteful fuel you can buy, since we make it from corn. Ethanol can be made from grass clippings but because the government already subsidizes corn they just figured that would be the easiest way. Imagine Doc Brown flying to Africa in his Delorian DMC-12 and snatching food from starving kids to fuel his "Mr. Fusion"; that's American Ethanol. It's us gobbling up even more of the world's food supply in an attempt to stay richer than a bunch of Arabs. If you want to "go green" build an electric moped and charge it during off-peak hours, or just buy a bicycle.

Sorry I don't mean to rant, I just hate when people waste food.

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You're right, ethanol is not the answer. Neither is Hydrogen. They need to provide "Alternative Vehicle Lanes" and see what people come up with, Backyard tinkerers have been the backbone of American innovation,

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"Alternative Vehicle Lanes" ...?

What do you think that double-white-lined mini-lane is that's next to the flow of traffic? You know, the one right in the path of opening car doors that cops and delivery vehicles park in?

We solved our city transportation problem 130 years ago when we invented the "safety" bicycle. Hooray, no more pooping horses!

Then, we invented our city transportation problem a few years later. Damn, smoking cars and trucks!

Later, we solved our city transportation problem again in a charming, creative way. Hooray, an electric trolley system!

Then, we inexplicably made the SAME DAMN MISTAKE AGAIN, and removed our trolley system in favor of increased car traffic lanes. Hooray for WTF!

So, I think this group is the best one capable of understanding that all of our transportation problems have already been solved. What we haven't solved is the perverse tendency for humans as a group to do monumentally stupid things for short term gain.

Brandon, I don't think you'll have much luck adding valves and a timing chain to an engine that was very precisely designed to not be a four-stroke engine. If you're looking for projects that take the same kind of skill and patience, though, perhaps you could work with meme theory and group psychology to move our society away from carhenge

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Grrr I'm at work and can't watch that vid...

Oh and I'm working on a Hydrogen generator for muh car...I've heard good things bout them...not for running it puerly on H2 but using less gas at least...

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Then, we inexplicably made the SAME DAMN MISTAKE AGAIN, and removed our trolley system in favor of increased car traffic lanes. Hooray for WTF!

Actually, WE didn't remove our trolley systems. The automotive and oil companies did

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Global warming = Myth.

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Backyard tinkerers have been the backbone of American innovation,

Until the corporation came around.

Ethanol uses more oil per gallon and gas, it is more detrimental to our economy then foreign oil ever could be, because it calls for more consumption of limited resources. Oil goes into the fertilizers used to grow the corn, oil is used to power the machines that harvest the corn, oil is used to transport the corn to the ethanol processing center, oil is used to convert the corn into ethanol, oil is used to transport the ethanol to the pump, oil is used to make the pump.

Oil is the very life blood of our economy. I dare you to look around yourself and find something which has not ultimately been effected by oil consumption and I'll say you will find nothing.

There is no point in trying to make an old 2 stroke motor work on E85, none.

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Trying to make 2 stroke work on ethanol?

It wouldn't be very had at all. Just not worth the effort

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Doesn't somebody on here actually have a bike they converted to run on ethanol? It's just a matter of using castor oil for premix and re-tuning for higher flow... It's just not as efficient as gasoline and a lot harder on your engine.

As long as population increases, there will be an energy crisis. It's supply & demand; our demand is so massive that we create scarcity of anything we rely on. If we all switched to solar power for everything, in a month whatever the scarcest chemical component needed to make solar power cells would be the new oil. If we went to windmills, the value of powerful rare earth magnets would skyrocket.

A huge problem right now in America is the blurring of the line between two crises:

- an energy crisis rooted in a dependence on (foreign) oil

- an enviromental crisis rooted in exponential pollution

While the two are closely related, we often lump both into the "going green" fad. Ethanol isn't any better for the environment, it's just using up potential food to dump carbon into the air. Everyone says they're "going green" when they buy compact fluorescent light bulbs, but they throw them in a landfill where the mercury that makes them so efficient leaks into the water table.

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Here are a few ideas which are not only viable but have already been done.

Install a 50cc 4 stroke automatic honda type engine

Convert your moped to run on steam

Convert your moped to run on compressed air

Convert your moped to electric power

Remove engine and increase the pedal ratio

Use biodegradable oil

You could also increase the pedal ratio of your existing moped and just pedal more, thus reducing the amount of fuel burned. Or you could just ride a bicycle on short trips and moped on longer trips to accomplish similar results.

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I'm embarrassed to admit that since owning mopeds, my bike chain had gotten really rusty. I used to ride it every day to run errands, now if my moped is broken I take the car. I'm such a yuppie sometimes.

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toe fur at the library /

marijuana is the solution to all of our energy woes.

hemp oil can be used to make biofuels, and marijuana can be grown in HUGE quantities, cut, and then regrown in months. bam! renewable resource.

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"what was I gonna do with all this hemp oil?... uh... ah fuck it dude let's get a pizza."

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toe fur at the library /

quatto, you crack me up.

you still going to brodeo?

i hope so.

if you were a little farther north, i'd offer you a beer in about ten minutes.

but, such is life.

i gotta pee, then it's off to the bar with me.

anyone that doesn't suck and lives in goshen/elkhart shout come to the spring.

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toe fur at the library /

that oughtta read "should come to the spring."

i don't know why my fingers said "shout" when my mind said "should."

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if you buy ethanol from oil companies you aren't really doing any good. I was speaking of distilling your own, an experimental still license is free and good for 5000 gallons per year, and yes after about $1500 of set up it does cost about $.60/gal. You also receive the same tax credit that oil companies get...$.61/gal.

You do lose a little bit of efficiency. The last car we did was a dart that went from 13 down to 11. Do the math, you still come out while sticking it to the man. You do have to upjet. You also need to advance your timing some as the alcohol has a lower flash point.

Ethanol has nothing to do with "ruining" our economy. 10 years of low interest rates and people spending more money than they can pay back artificially inflated the perception of our economy. 20 years of replacing high paying manufacturing jobs with low wage service jobs in mainly retail has "ruined" our economy.

I definitely want to try to convert a ped to run on compressed air. That is the coolest thing going

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yeah going to Brodeo, we're bringing slow-peds. should be fun.

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