Thanks Dave for the repy, I have emailed simon and talked to him over the months, I am behind ya`ll 100%, even though I am 50 and disabled and have restored 12 peds that I cant ride, I still love to mess with them. May try to start a chapter here in Roanoke,(redneck) Virginia.....we need to ignor these moped-wannabees :-) they have no life!!