Rise of the fallen flags?

Gas in the US has seen average prices above $4.00 a gallon, and though things are lower right now, everyone's still whining and we all know it could get even worse. Alternative transportation is a big thing and getting bigger.

Tomos is alive and well, but what about the others, the so called "fallen flags" I'm sure Damlier still owns the Puch Marquee, and Mobecane and Garreli must exist somewhere, if only in Europe or even only on some legal papers in the hands of another company. There's Lazer, Smiley, Jawa, Peugot..... (forgive me if I missed your favorite, this wasn't meant to be a complete list)

Think about it... Mopeds - the REAL, quality, European made ones... could make a comeback in the US. With all the low buck no-name crap out there made in asia by the lowest bidding factories, we need it!.

Things have changed! Chrome Moly, and 6061 and 6005 alloy aluminum, have changed from exotic status to affordable materials for mass produced products. Even titanium isn't as elite as it once was. Mopeds could be made so much more lightweight, and even though the EPA will force feed us 4 cycle restrictions, those have evolved too, with high power, killer revs and less weight then before. Think, a moped that you'd actually peddle a few miles without having a heart attack!!! Tomos, with well engineered lightweight framing, could put pedals back on. After all, it's MOtor or PEDdle people, lets not forget the humble roots of our beloved motorized bicycles.

Anyway, pardon my ramblings, and let's hear what your fantasy modern day ped's would be like. Show off your doodles of 2009 Mobylettes and Maxis.

Or not.... I can dream alone :)

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chrystler seriously needs to bring puch back. I thing in going to bombard them with letters. who knows, they might consider it. I wouldn't mind a 4 cycle. that means turbo charger to me.

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Damlier Benz sold Chrysler so the 2 aren't related anymore. Irregardless, yea.... new puchs!

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***Vanilla Thunder*** /

yeah, chrysler has been a sinking ship for years. dr.z had enough and they lost like 400 million on the deal. look on the brightside, when it finally tanks completely youll have a chance to own puch.

then you can build em like mobys and blow the worlds mind.

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i think puch was sold to piaggio

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yes it was.

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mopeds are making a huge comback in SF I hope it sticks.

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i know there are brand name peugeots... and have you ever kick started a new-technology 4-stoke? you would snap pedal arms off once a week. go kick over a yz450f and youll know what i mean.

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brand new

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yea piaggio owns the rights to PUCH

PS they still make the vespa ciao...brand new in certian countries

i saw them new in the showroom about 3 yearsago in switzerland

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Most likely we will see a vespa/piaggio moped.

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I think Yamaha owns Motobecane .

Rick

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Mike Scouty McScoutington /

dammit rick, you just stole my thunder on that one.

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a lot of companies still make mopeds in other countries. we don't have them here because it's not worth those companies' time and money to alter their design to fit in with our emission standards.

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What I want to see is a whole new moped line, something like the A35 motor with a better transmission, modern suspension, disc brakes and a top speed of 55+. In other words, I want a moped that can compete with newest scooters stock, something that would make people stop and ask themselves if they want to buy a scooter or a moped...

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Yep, you can still get brand new mobylettes, peugeots, vespas, sachs, and a variety of cool tomos models in other country's. Unfortunately it's not worth it to a manufacture to even make an effort to sell them in the US.

http://www.motobecane.jp/

http://www.honorary.jp/sachs/index.html

http://www.rakuten.co.jp/uncle-katsu/

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What a shame we don't have those here.

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What we need is something completely new. A Fifty cc Honda four stroke type top end with a tunable variator to chain drive setup similar to a derbi. Total engine weight of around 15-20 lbs dry. Two horsepower stock, restricted to meet state guidelines. It could also use a small catalytic exhaust if needed. Then you have a moped that can pass the ever tightening epa requirements for a good long time. Because its 4 stroke there is no gas mixing so its easy for new people, its also cheaper to run. It should do 30 mph out of the box with acceleration and mid range that'll keep up with a modern scooter keeping it safe in traffic. The frame should be steel with a removable fuel tank. Something new and refreshing looking but still keeping to the classic moped aesthetic. No plastic fairings and unnecessary odds and ends. When in bicycle mode the engine should cause no drag on the bike and the pedal ratio should be geared to where it can actually be ridden as a cycle comfortably. Wheels should be spokes with sealed bearings, disc brake in the front and drum in the back. It really makes you wonder why nobody has made one before?

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Mike Scouty McScoutington /

Not that you have ever thought about your dream new moped there huh saabs?

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Wait, isn't puch owned by hero now?

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Someone mentioned somewhere about kicking over a 4 stroke. It's all about gearing, baby! The pedal drive can be configured for maximum starting torque.

How about a derailer type gear setup for the pedal drive? Not many bicycles are stuck with one speed thease days, so why should a modern moped? A continuous variable transmission on the engine side is a no-brainer. Shaft drives would reduce maintainance by eliminating one chain. Alternator and battery so you can cruise at idle in the dark and still have a good strong headlight.

I work for an Aluminum Extruder and it just so happens we push a lot of 6005 and 6061 aluminum tubes, square, rectangular and round. Some day I might just build a protoype "modern" Maxi with an all aluminum frame.

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Maitland Of the Loin /

hero makes clones of puch, honda, etc.....

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Those mopeds saabsguy posted are all in upwards of 2 thousand dollars. It might just be me, but thats with just a simple really bad 100 yen 1 dollar conversion. With the US dollar, most of those are probabilly in upwards of 3 thousand. Expensive Expensive Expensive. But in japan its really a great idea to have moped/scooters, because the roads are SOOOOO narrow and most places you have to go to are never more than, oh, I'd say 10 miles. Also, alot alot alot of people ride there mopeds/scooters to the train station then ride to work/school then back.

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I wouldn't buy a 4 stroke. it takes all the fun out of owning mopeds. A Nuvinci infinite gear hub would be in order for a new bike. Better suspension (not just springs), light weight frame, brighter lights, vintage styling, and a heck of a lot more

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2 stroke or go home. if i have to drive a four stroke, i'm going to drive my bmw 2002's.

stroke + stroke = moped

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