Honest opinion on Tomos

Andrew Weitzman /

A month ago I wrecked my Yamaha Vino--on the way to it's first inspection yet--by broadsiding a car. Luckily, I came away with only minor injuries and a decent insurance settlement. [sigh] I loved that scoot...it had character.

However, being in the market again means that I've been doing more research. The Tomos Bullet model seems to be a decent one for my needs--light, small, and possibly able to to parked in my apartment instead of outside. The weight limit of 300+ pounds is a lot better than my Vino's wimpy 164 lbs. The Yammie BWS/Zuma also has that capacity, but the legshield is pretty cramped on today's models.

But I'm worried. I've read a lot of negative comments, here and on other forums. Plastic cracking, bad autolube systems, etc. I'd like people's honest opinion: is a Tomos a good buy? I am not asking compared to older mopeds. I lack mechanical skills and rather like the idea of dealer support in the event things go south. Are the modern Tomos models as bad as I've heard? Should I go for a scoot instead?

Thanks. And a couple of more questions...

can the stock exhaust be derestricted? It's legal in Quebec--no 50cc moped/scoot speed restrictons. Or will I have to fit a Biturbo?

break in--what are the break in periods recommended by the manufacturer? One thing I hated about my Vino was spending hundreds of klicks dawdling along. Just want to know what I'm in for with the Tomos.

* electrics. A whimsical question, actually. Something about the shape of the Bullet screams "glue funny bits to me". The nerdy charm of it, I guess. I have a vision of Tiki God christmas lights running along the frame, hooked into the electric system. Is this even possible, or am I just insane? No, scratch that last bit. I already know the answer.

Thanks guys! Maybe in a few weeks I can open up the later Decepticon MC chapter in Montreal...

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buy a good used moped from Alain; he's in Montreal, too and knows his stuff. He had a Peugeot 103 and a Flandria last time I looked. I was going to buy a Tomos Targa new from a dealer untilI saw the 2-stroke oiled pooled under it. They are assembled in Slovenia, btw. Maybe the new Puchs are being sold in Quebec; that would be my first choice.

Thank's David !!!

Thank's David for your good comment !!!!!

But the PEUGEOT 103 and the FLANDRIA are sold !

The only moped i have now area new TOMOS TARGA LX and a very clean SACHS SUBDANCER 1981.

I never i problem with my TARGA LX, i put a Bullet exhaust (Biturbo), and a speed sprocket. Top speed is around 70km, the speedo stop at 60km ! I just change the head light bulb and adjust the carburator cable. If you take care of your Tomos, you never have major problem. I have now 985 km.

More info , Email me !

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InfectedBootSector /

Samarkand,

The best thing you can do with ANY new bike is make sure the dealer preps it good. Make sure they inspect it at least 3 times, going over every inch of the bike before you take it home.

Tomos makes good stuff, and as long as it is prepped by the dealer properly, you'll be very happy.

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chuck russo va /

tomos are good bikes, i ahve owned 5 of them the only one that gave me trouble was a 87 top tank A3 lx

most people who bad mouth tomos mopeds are kids who have no clue what they are doing and they play master mechanic and end yp breaking stuff.....

yes the plastic is cheap on tomos, i removed the ones that go under the gas tank on the lx, they will rattle loose and fall off, i took off the fairing also, take off those 3 pieces of plastic and put them in a spot where they will be safe and then put them back on the ped when u sell it.

if u treat a tomos good, proper oil mix, quality oil, tune it up change tranny fluid and make sure its jetter properly they will run like a bat out of hell!

i had a 96 lx that went 51 flat land all day long, with only a pipe, speed sproket and amature port job and then re jetted it

tomos last a long time if u treat them good, if your gonna get a used one dont buy it from a kid...

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Samarkand /

Thanks, guys. I was just nervous--especially with the bad comments I've heard. I am still a little hesitant--for the same as a Tomos with Biturbo I could get another Vino, or a Zuma. Only reason is that the step-thru model looks so portable.

Actually, which do you guys prefer? The basic Tomos A35/Sprint stepthru frame, or the Targa LX motorcycle-replica look. Have to admit, the Targa looks pretty sharp. But the Sprint does seem more portable.

BTW--I always see "CDI electronic ignition". That's just internal, right? The only actual starting method is with a kick/pedal. There isn't a new model with a starter button, right?

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Kevin Harrell /

I just got a used Tomos, a top tank with the A35 engine, this Summer, my first moped, and I have only put about 30 miles on it since it has been too hot to ride. Well at least when I have had the time. I got the bike used, with about 6,500 miles on it, and it showed some signs of abuse. Those signs included the pedal arms being bent from the bike being laid down on one side, scratches on the other side from being laid down, and really really bald tires. The bike is a 1991 model and had last been registered in 1993. So a fair number of miles in a fairly short time, well at least for a moped.

Anyway, all it needed to get running again was to decarbonize the engine and exhaust, new spark-plug, and fresh fuel, and it started right up. There was lots of carbon in the engine and exhaust, so I assume that it had never been decarbonized, and other maintanance items may have been skipped too. Despite this the inside of the cylinder still looks good, and it has good compression.

My impression of Tomos from this experience is that they are good solid bikes.

Lots of answers.

Reeperette /

>>can the stock exhaust be derestricted? It's legal in Quebec--no 50cc moped/scoot speed restrictons. Or will I have to fit a Biturbo?<<

Not precisely, you can take the baffle out to help prevent clogging and for a "boomy" more aggresive exhaust note, but the performance difference is fairly negligable.

If you wanna go cheap, you can put an A3 exhaust on an A5(A35) Motor, and probably steal a bit of performance that way, since the A5(A35) exhaust is unneccesarily restrictive.

Best bang-for-buck is the BiTurbo pipe however, it's really well worth the investment performance-wise, try to get the 2-piece if you can, becase you can slide that one longer for more takeoff, or shorter for a higher topspeed.

>> break in--what are the break in periods recommended by the manufacturer? One thing I hated about my Vino was spending hundreds of klicks dawdling along. Just want to know what I'm in for with the Tomos.<<

The manufacturers break in period is ridiculously long, about 75-90 miles running a pre-mix at 32:1 ratio will accomplish break-in quite effectively, just vary your speed at times to get a more even ring seating - for reference, 32:1 is 4oz of oil to 1 gallon of gas.

After that, just fill the injector and don't worry about premixing any more.

>> electrics. A whimsical question, actually. Something about the shape of the Bullet screams "glue funny bits to me". The nerdy charm of it, I guess. I have a vision of Tiki God christmas lights running along the frame, hooked into the electric system. Is this even possible, or am I just insane? No, scratch that last bit. I already know the answer.<<

Possible ? perhaps, plausible or easy ? probably not.

Moped electrical systems are really strange, mixing AC and DC current in some truly bizarre ways, so most devices should be run from gel-cell batteries, Wayne can be more helpful on that front.

>>Actually, which do you guys prefer? The basic Tomos A35/Sprint stepthru frame, or the Targa LX motorcycle-replica look. Have to admit, the Targa looks pretty sharp. But the Sprint does seem more portable.<<

Truthfully they weigh about the same, and I'd say there's little difference.

Most folks prefer the "classic" step-thru look, for asthetic reasons, but I prefer the top-tank, not because of asthetics or that wanna-be-motorcycle look, but rather for the significantly extended range of the larger fuel tank.

The top-tank also balances differently since the fuel supply is mounted higher on the frame, and handles in a heavier, more cycle-like fashion, which is easier for beginners moving from cycle to moped - the step-thru design is slightly more agile, but the handling is tricksy and takes a little bit of time to learn.

>>BTW--I always see "CDI electronic ignition". That's just internal, right? The only actual starting method is with a kick/pedal. There isn't a new model with a starter button, right?<<

Yes, that's internal, and it means you don't have to bother with cleaning or setting points, is all, it starts just the same, and keep in mind Tomos are apparently the only mopeds you kick backwards* on the pedal to start.

Make VERY sure that the CDI Unit on the moped is a Bosch or an Iskra, some early model Targa and Sprint models were released with a faulty IDM Brand CDI unit noted for failure to fire, and that is completely incompatible with Bosch or Iskra parts.

If it still gives spark tho, it's probably not an IDM, since by now all of those should be dead, but check just in case.

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Now, to ownership...first things first, shake that puppy down real good, check the transmission fluid, tire pressure and wheel alignment, brakes and the like, basic shakedown stuff, obviously.

The main (and very rightful) bitch of Tomos owners is getting the carb out, since it's in a place where you practically have to dismantle the 'ped to get at it, but if you're going to get a service contract with your purchase, you should be ok on that front for a good long while.

There is also a ton of previously-posted useful information on this forum about Tomos, and some specific tomos related info under a post titled "tomos boatload" - use the forums SEARCH function to find it and read through it.

And, of course... you have any problem, howl on the forum, and if it's a difficult problem, ask for me, and I'll get to ya shortly.

-R

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