WTB: Smaller Government

Mike RustBeltCycleParts /

I just got out of college this May and I finally got my first pay check. Time to start paying back my loans and pick up a nice moped right? No sir, Uncle Sam wouldn't have it. The government withdrew over $1,750 from one paycheck (I get payed monthly). $1,750 might not seem that much in paper, but with in moped terms thats like 7 decent mopeds (atleast around here if you search). 7 mopeds per month x 12 months = 84 mopeds per year. Thats alot of mopeds. How many mopeds do you pay in taxes?

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Hah. Half a years wages, which we wont specify, but its a lot of mopeds for sure.

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Why would I want mopeds when I get the satisfaction of someone else having the money i worked hard for?

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Knowing you helped my next-door neighbor afford their $35/month section 8 rent....priceless.

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I hate how the goverment say that we have to pay that kinda shitt, we work hard for our money, why the hell should we have to gave the goverment any money its not like they are paying us every pay check they get. (THIS IS COMEING FROM A GUY THAT JUST GOT FIRED FROM A JOD THAT HE DID NOT EVEN WORK A DAY AT)

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Edward Richardson /

Its all about the needs, if you want to live the kind of life that will qualify you for Section 8 Housing, no one is stopping you. It will not be easy or pleasant. The government says "Hey I'm going to help that family out by trying to get a roof over their heads." for the same reason it says "Hey I'm going to try to stop that (insert wack-job religion or philosophy) from putting a car bomb next to your house." Because the cost of doing nothing, outweighes the cost of doing something. They can say duty, honor, compassion, etc. but bottom line, its the bottom line. If it were in their interest to see you starve to death, it would be "Welcome to WeightWatchers Sucker."

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I.R.E. Mike Pee /

I work for a "low-income housing" company. It's a scam. Tax credits (they allow you to be tax exempt up to a certain dollar figure) are given to developers, who sell them to huge investment firms to use for their own things. In the meantime the developer gets millions in cash up front. They take these millions and build crazy nice "low-income" housing. Best part is, they build them in the ghetto, because, you know, they want to bring those neighborhoods around. But they don't actually buy the property, they get the government to use eminent domain on these people who _own their homes_ and force them out while giving them some lowball figure for their houses. So, these people can't afford to live in their own neighborhood now because they got no money for their home they were kicked out of, and property prices went up since some company just invested millions in the neighborhood. So what do they do? They move into the low income housing project that just stole their home! And these places are nice, there is no incentive to move out. I did a tour of my company's properties and I was fucking sickened. They are nicer than any place I probably will ever live in.

But the real kicker is that in the middle of all this, some rich developer assholes are raking in 6 figure salaries for destorying communities and forcing people on the government dole.

Oh, and I'm looking for a new job if anyone is hiring in St. Louis...

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***Vanilla Thunder*** /

what part of st louis isnt ghetto?

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I.R.E. Mike Pee /

Well fuck you very much, Josh. Ever been here?

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you should work on that riverboat mcdonalds. that place is the shit!

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I.R.E. Mike Pee /

The riverboat McD's has gone the way of the dodo. I never got to go there because I just moved here two years ago. My life will never be complete.

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Wait for "government health care". Then your taxes will be worth complaining about.

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I.R.E. Mike Pee /

Yep, can't wait to deal with DMV-like goons every time I get sick or hurt. Yessss, utopia!

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"complain y does the goverment spend so much bad hay lets make it bigger"

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DMV people are dumb because it's a job for dumb people. They aren't going to fire all the doctors and nurses and transfer all those fat single moms with a GED over to the hospital.

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I.R.E. Mike Pee /

Well, I know that much Quatto. But just wait till you have to settle the bill. Then you'll get to deal with the DMV fucktards.

Mainly it's the principle of the thing. The government shouldn't be telling us when we are or aren't sick, or what procedures we are approved to have and what we aren't.

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no groms no blasters /

if you're paying $1,750 to the federal government in a single month, you're making $7,750 a month, or $93,000 a year. That leaves you with $6,000 a month. You're richer than six billion people. Shut it.

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Edward Richardson /

So you're advocating the current system of healthcare for the top ten percent of the population and the rest of us can take a tylenol and play emergency room bingo.

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Edward Richardson /

Whilst I'm poking the devils advocate, lest I be accused of bringing nothing to the party, how about means indexed healthcare, keeps the fascists happy- the free market is still referenced and everybody that uses it pays something, Keeps the long hairs happy-no one goes without care and the rising tide lifts all boats. keeps the workers happy-they can still afford healthcare.

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why don't we just set up a non-profit common-interest healthcare organization through mopedarmy? I mean we take charities every time someone goes ass-over-teakettle and snaps an arm,why not get our shit together and organize legitimately?

Without all of the money-making bullshit, sales/marketing expenses, or inflated executive salaries, we could have health coverage with affordable premiums and little to no deductible.

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Don't worry about taxes, They will always be more than you want to spend, the system will always be freaking huge and complicated. This stems from our country being huge and complicated. I don't think a small govt. can run a large country, unless it's a dictatorship, Monarchy, or Tzarist gov't. Nobody wants that though they are extremely efficient. Don't worry about people leaching off the system either, it can't be helped. It sucks feeding able bodied adults and a lot of people wouldn't care if they were kicked to the curb but to kick those peoples' children to the curb is another story. I've always believed in "workfair" yes it is a form of communism but there are people who's lives are a series of self inflicted disasters and maybe would be happier with a little less freedom and a little more stability. We could put people to work picking up trash, building shelters in disaster areas, digging ditches, all kinds of things.

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Sounds like someone in here needs to design a Mopeders for McCain fender sticker...

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Tsarists governments and dictatorships are not notably "small" governments. Take Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy as examples. Or even Tsarist Russia circa 1900. Not tiny governments for the times.

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_So you’re advocating the current system of healthcare for the top ten percent of the population and the rest of us can take a tylenol and play emergency room bingo._

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I'd sure like to see where you got that figure. I'm not sayin' you're wrong but I'd be real surprised to find out only 10% of the population has access to health care.

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If you were paying 10% taxes you'd still complain, everyone would. My problem with taxes is not how much I pay but how poorly it's used. I think we do need to eliminate a lot of waste, not so much in the way of eliminating programs but having better oversight on how it's spent, Seriously if you own a business the IRS watches every damn cent but the govt. has no accountability. Corruption is a part of any government, not by design but by nature, from the greedy contractor to the person faking an injury for disability. You are right about the dictatorship and Tzarist govts though, I wasn't thinking about the massive police force that is always necessary for any form of despotism.

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one man's government waste is another man's new boat

its hard to vote against a new boat. hence the current political candidates.

WTB: Smaller Government

WTB threads belong in the buy/sell forum.

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I.R.E. Mike Pee /

Damn people, there are more options than Obama and McCain, and more than democrat and republican too. The fact that I want less government in my life definitely does not make me a shitbag republican. They're as bad as the democrats.

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Flat tax ftw!

Unpopular, but it's logical.

--Scott

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no groms no blasters /

_Sounds like someone in here needs to design a Mopeders for McCain fender sticker…_

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