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I was mostly thinking of ... ItsLookingUp

(and the other guy who had the 3 bolts thru his back pulley)

Okay, got the PA50 into the garage. I followed your instructions, but this is not the problem. My ramp plate does mount flush against the pully shaft. Can I send you my front varator for you to inspect? I really believe my problem is one of two things. One, the front varator is not closing enough to make more speed. Two, the timing is off and not reving up enough to spin the varator enough to close further. When I put a timing light on the magneto, the timing is 1 1/2" off the timing mark. However, there is no adjustment for timing. I could send my front and rear varator and a puller if you would be willing to inspect them and compare them to known good units.

Let me see if I can get pics of the timing. BRB

Send me an email if you are will to inspect the parts. Do you have a puller? If not I can ship one.

It's the Honda part. It's a combination front/rear varator ans sprocket puller.

I have a new OEM belt which is identical to the belt I took off. The belt I took off isn't too worn. I just wanted to make sure that wasn't the problem so I ordered an original for comparison. I Fred want's it I'll ship it. Thanks for helping "Think ahead."

Obviously if you have a new belt and you've tried it .. (you should try it even if it looks the same) ... then I don't need it.

I am still using the original belt on mine (now at 4600 miles) .. it even has a 'burned' spot .. (like they sat in one spot with the pulley spinning against the belt ... for a long time)

Still using it .. seems fine to me.

You can pop the belts on and off without any other disassembly .. (cept removing the belt cover).

I pretty much try not to modify stock parts if possible.

So I don't know if I'll bend/cut the stock springs .. despite the fact that I have some extras.

Unless I have to I suppose.

Plus .. springs being made from spring-steel .. they often don't take bending without starting microcracks (even with heat) .. which will certainly leave me stranded at sometime.

tried 2 good autoparts stores .. no go.

Might have to try an email chase from a scooter store to see if they'll measure some of their springs for other models.

but .. I DID switch back to an unaltered variator half tonite .. (no notches).

I get 40 to 42 mph top speed .. and I don't need any gravity or wind or aerodynamec assist to get there .. it pulls clean to top.

It also increases RPM a lot ... I'll guess.. modded variator - 5000rpm at 40mph .. unmodded - near 7000rpm at 40mph.

Halfway in between would be nice.

Also .. one weight end cap had broken into pieces.

Hi Guys,

I am just curious as to where you got your new belt for the PA 50? Local Honda guys here do not have them. Has anyone found an automotive or other belt that will work?

Thanks,

Doc

Honda dealers can still order them, they aren't cheap. Something slightly over $60.00.

GK says he is using a Dayco #17415 (also has 13A055 stamped on it) which he got at a auto parts store. It was discussed in another recent post: http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/discuss/1/52353/52353/

You might try to get a dayco or use the number to cross-over to a different brand. All of the auto parts stores I attempted to match my belt at had significantly narrower measurements. I opted to order a OEM belt.

There is another thread right here on the first two pages or so with all kinds of info about PA50 Belts.

Just scroll down and look for it.

Also .. use the 'search' button above and open the time window.