Authorized Army mopeds

I think the reason people keep attempting to find out if their bike is a "moped" is because their long-term goal is to start or join a branch of the Army.

I could be totally off base, but the only definition I care about is the one that gets me a Maine branch of the Army.

Almost anyone can tell the difference between a scoot and a ped. People ask, because they want to know if their bike is a "moped" in the eyes of the Moped Army. That's what they care about. Not the State, or the dictionary... or another persons opinion.

It's not about linguistics-- it's about wanting your bike to be a Moped, so you can be a part of the club, one of the gang.

Man, it would totally suck if I was being reviewed for a branch, only to find out my QT-50 doesn't qualify. I think that's why people ask (all the time) about what makes a "Moped".

It's not the "50cc Army" and it isn't the "Scooter Army". It's not the "Monkey Bike Army". The site is the Moped Army, and we lack a real definition of what the Army considers a moped. That's a tough spot for someone who wants to join, but doesn't know what their 50cc bike is.... So they ask, and get 50 answers, all different.

That's totally cool in some ways, because it puts the moped in a "place beyond definition" a machine that refuses to be defined.

Hey, Mike.... Now I've 'settled' this issue SEVEN times. How'dya like that? AND we still don't know how the Army qualifies mopeds (or not mopeds).

Sincerely,

Wayne

tried 2 start 1...

i tried 2 start a branch in massachusetts....havnt heard anything about it from anyone in a branch for a few months...so i pretty much just lost all hope of starting a branch

~dave~

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The only definition I go by for moped is if it has pedals and an engine of 50cc or less then it's a moped. Some people take into consideration the hp, with ideas that if the engine is rated over 2hp it's not a moped, or if the top speed is over 25mph it's not a moped.

it's simple if it has a small displacement motor AND pedals, it's a moped. Simple.

Re: tried 2 start 1...

We only do branch reviews twice a year...Then we determine which ones are worth reviewing, by the information provided. We are usually leary of letting a bunch of young kids join, (under 18), in fear of them moving away for school, or getting board with mopeds....We are looking for hardcore moped lovers. Not saying that your branch fell into that criteria...Keep trying! Swarm and Destroy!

Chris Rice

TBS

Moped Army

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By the way, a honda urban express doesn't have pedals, but we have a member in our Texas branch with one. The only way we would shaft a branch, just because of their machines, is if there was like one moped and the rest were scooters or small motorcycles....It's so obvious, what is a moped and what isn't. I don't understand the confusion.

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InfectedBootSector /

Tell me about it...

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A moped by Moped Army definitions. Two or three wheeled. 50cc or less, and has pedals. Also has what is known as the moped styling. There are a bunch of oddities out there that defy classification. Some of them are: a manual transmission, top tank (motorcycle style), overbore kits, and kickstarts. If your bike has one of these attributes it makes the cut as a moped sympathiser, but usually more than one and it will always be ridiculed as being a motorcycle, or worse yet a scooter. We really don't have a written definition, because as chris pointed out, you just know.

dan

swarm and destroy

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so what you all are really trying to say is the honda express isnt a moped.......but if it isnt a moped why is its picture on the MOPEDarmy website?

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I agree....totally... you "know" if you're riding a moped. I think it's a 'gut' feeling.

And, Dan, Thanks for providing the Army's definition. Through all the debates and arguments, that's the one thing I wanted to know. Next time a newbie asks, I'll refer them to your post.

Somebody pointed out "whats all the fuss about" the "Fuss" is because somebody says... "Hey...is my express a moped or a scooter" and then the thread grows to 75 posts--all full of conflicting information.

The better I get at repairing, the more machines I'll have. At this point, I have a 92 tomos w/pedals.... no question it's a moped.

My other two machines are QT-50, which I believe to be mopeds, although they have:

1. No pedals

2. Kickstart

3. a drive shaft!!

4. Smaller tires than my tomos.

but, other than that, these QT things are mopeds! All you have to do is ride one or look at it (my opinion/gut feeling).

I hope I haven't missed previous posts, but I think Dan is the first one to specify what the Army looks for when doing a review. I honestly think that's the info people are looking for when they ask what kind of machine they have.

And, Dave, if you're still following this thread, please don't think I'm a total ass. Several months ago, I set out to define "moped"....as an English major, I figured it wouldn't be too tough. I did quite a bit of research in different encyclopedias and dictionaries, as well as looking at the machines listed as "Scooters" or "Mopeds" at the dealers sites, and finally gave up. I guess I was upset that after all my work I still couldn't come up with a definitive explanation of what a moped was.

So, when you said you'd "Settle it all" I was irritated, because I tried my best to figure it out. I gave up when I saw scooters with removable pedals. How do you address those suckers? and fuel cell bikes... "Mo+Ped"??

New scooters with pedals that attach, only to comply with state law... that's a whole different animal...(my opinion)

Dan, Thanks-- Perhaps this matter is finally "put to bed".

Sincerely,

Wayne

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There are plenty of items in the gallery that would not fall into the classification of "moped". For example there is a Puch scooter, a Chicken Power motor, etc.

The gallery is full of photos that would be of interest to moped enthusiasts, and more importantly, are of interest to us.

simon

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Jeeze Wayne sorry to set you off on that one. I usually steer totally clear of the moped/ scooter debate- politics too. I also have a habit of not looking at posts that are addressed to individuals. I just noticed a 75 post thread in one day, and was wondering what it was about (should have checked the post dates).

But to be a trouble maker- I have a design background. You could justify some of the 50's and early 60's mopeds as scooters, because of the wheels being covered with skirts.

I too am curious about the scooters with removable pedals- are there arms on them, or just pedals sitting there--- To make your QT's (which are really cool and fun looking) maybe you could switch out the pegs for pedals?

For me, the question is this

So what makes an army- the soldiers, the equipment or the ideology?

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ItsLookingUp /

Wayne, down here in Lexington Ky we are also interested in creating a branch. I read the posts that if the riders are less than 18 y/o they may not be made a part of the "Army." That would make the Lexington Transportation Platoon (LTP) a mercenary. If the "Army" needs us, we will respond, if we aren't needed we will continue to swarn and destroy our local issues. Being made a branch seems to have nothing to do with the interest in 50cc ped's down here. I personally think that the "Army" is making a mistake with the age thing. While they are young is a good time to get them hooked. If they all move away that's called expansion! There are no additional benefits of being a Branch that I am aware of. Overnight we could bring up a web site "Moped Mercenaries." I also don't care what they are riding so long as they started out with some kind of 50cc engine. Scooter, Noped, Moped... I don't care. We are a rag bag group that will ride anything that goes at least 25 mph and doesn't graze for fuel. We do have plenty of peds which fit the definition but only 3 of us are over 18 y/o.

Re: tried 2 start 1...

lol ya i am "underage"...only 14. but ill never lose the love for mopeds...thats not ever gonna happen, iv just decided that its obviously imposible for me....to start a branch, so that iv givin up hope on. and as for moving, iv lived here my whole life and im not goin ne where.

~dave~

--and lol im just as much of a hardcore mopeder as the next guy

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I think that's awesome - form a group and swarm. There are definitely options beyond starting a branch of the Moped Army -- doing your own thing is what we're looking for in branches anyway. Basically all of the branches were already groups, and just affiliated themselves with us.

The age thing is mainly based on the fact that when people are young they have no option but to ride mopeds. Often then they get a car and forget about the moped. Also, groups of younger people are more likely to move away from each other and dismantle the branch as they go off to college, etc.

Age is more of a guideline we use, not a rule. If the people are totally into it, seem like they have a future together, really organized, etc -- then they're definitely branch material.

simon

Re: tried 2 start 1...

hey, did you mail me about starting a branch? Sorry I couldn't, but i'm only 16

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not 2 seem like a complete asshole....but you would think that the moped army would be overwhelmingly happy to start branches wherever they could, get more people inturested in ever thing about mopeds. if the person was dedicated enough to even try 2 make a branch and appear serious about staying with it for a long time, you would think they would allow it.....

~dave~

---like i said i dont wanna make it seem like im a complete ass

Fitting in

david f martin /

Mbartell wrote, "For me, the question is this

So what makes an army- the soldiers, the equipment or the ideology?"

ItsLookingUp wrote about just getting a group together to ride and have fun, and not getting hung up on definitions.

Simon wrote, "doing your own thing is what we're looking for"...

It seems to me (and I wrote this in an earlier thread) that the Moped Army is more interested in the rider than in the bike (as any good organization should). I really don't think 3 assholes on mopeds can start thier own branch (though they can form thier OWN group).

Arguing till you're blue in the face about who owns a moped and who doesn't probably won't get you in. Having something interesting or helpful to contribute (regardless whether you think you should belong or not) should be more important.

Since I ride by myself, I don't ever expect to be a member of the Moped Army, and that's ok. There's lots of entertaining and useful stuff on this site, and I enjoy having other folks to talk with about 50cc bikes (my preferred term).

I never really cared about "fitting in", anyway.

david

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Getting an approved branch of the Moped Army is a very hard thing to do. I agree with it. Getting "props" from a website like this is great...and it is the only national "gang" I know of.

I've been here a long time, and the branches are slowly growing..and more are popping up.

To have a gang of riders is cool...but to have the MOPED ARMY recognize you as someone who is going to "Bring Respect to the Moped Community" is a huge statement.

it's something the Army is very serious about, and I support them 100%, and I'm not in the army, yet.

-Wayne

well spoken david

50cc motorbikes....hmmmm. thats a good name for things with 50cc (or 49.6...) engines.

~dave~

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david f martin /

Why?

I think the Moped Army is pretty cool, too, but I don't need them or anyone else to recognize me to make me feel better about myself.

Do I need a patch on my jacket to make me cool? I have enough scars, miles, and experiences to make me a more hardcore 50cc biker than most mopeders. My scooter can outrun most of those mopeds, too. So what?

Do I care if my bike is a moped or not, so I can join the Army? Hell, no. I like my bike just fine, and as long as this forum can stand my company, I'll just hang around and learn as much as I can.

I love Harleys, too, but I wouldn't buy one just so I could be another "Harley rider". I'd rather just be a lone biker on a bike that I enjoy.

david

Re: tried 2 start 1...

i dont know...i might of...i emailed alotta ppl about it that lived near me...i got alot more names of people that would wanna join. 13 in all. heh...

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ItsLookingUp /

Here is our plan at LTP. We will rescue any 50cc "thing" that we can and sell it to anyone who wants it. Put one more back on the road. It's a seller's market down here. We have been in your neighborhoods. We will continue to execute our secret manuevers to purchase forgotten 50cc "things" out of your neighbor's garage, barn, basement and storage building. We will then thru intellegence gathering here, make them road worthy. We will then mount "other things" on them and illuminate them to draw attention, all preparing for the next mission. I don't think we would pass Moped Army's inspection. We are free thinkers, safe riders, and very dependable group. If we were ever to be made a branch we would set our own pecking order about who was a "member". Just because someone shows up to ride wouldn't make them a member of our group of enthusists. We would have our own initiation. Our friends in the Hell's Angels said they quit doing the blood thing when the AIDS thing came out. So we wouldn't do that . We would probably go so far in debt with the guy we would have to let him in. Our motto seems to be "Hey, got any extra oil?" and "Mind if I use a little of that gas?" I am also hearing "Honest, as soon as I pay the hospital I will fix your bike.. C'mon it was an accident" But, until we are recognized by the Moped Army we will continue our invasion into their hood and stand ready to defend 50cc things on the south side of the tracks. (They say we are on the wrong side of the tracks... What does that mean?)

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david f martin /

Very cool... there IS a difference between being involved in a "brotherhood" and belonging to a club.

david

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It would seem that way - but we would rather have dedicated and long term branches than a large number of them. In fact, we review branches on a regular basis and drop those that aren't staying active.

simon

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what do u mean drop those that arnt active?

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ItsLookingUp /

Simon, we can't count on long term and we would rather have the numbers. We have even looked into a breeding program to boost the numbers for the long term.

Thoughts

Reeperette /

There's you, your wheels, the road...RIDE.

What more do you need ?

What does recognition on any official list really matter, long as you've got yer wheels, yer friends, and the road ahead of you to enjoy ?

Do you truly care what someone ELSE calls your wheels ?

Slap a throttle in my hand, and such petty worries just fade away in the 25mph wind shear.

Just my thoughts.

-R

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I joined the Subgenius Cult a long time ago, and somehow, it just seems right that a member of the subgenius joins a 'national' moped club. The sub-g's are a bunch of weirdos---outside the status quo.

My wife and I have brand new scooters, really nice ones. But, I love my mopeds more than ever. they're different.

My definition of a moped would be: if you can easily hang a 200 watt stereo from it, it's a moped, if you have to cut up the body to add a stereo, it's a scooter.

I can't tell you why I want to join so bad-- it's not about fitting in, because, at least for a while, I was the only one posting about airhorns and stereo installation.

I think it's more about wanting to bring more people into contact with 50cc machines. 'specially mopeds. Russ and Jared and my wife and I all have mopeds now...and Russ says he has two others he rides with. if eveyone's serious...we'll have enough to make a club of our own,

if the moped army won't have us--- oh well. Screw them and their dumb little club. But, I would like to have a branch...and the site numbers are astounding. maybe 15 minutes of fame is all I'm seeking...

We'll be swarming with or without the Moped Army, so, in that regard, it does make very little difference if we 'belong' or not.

And David m. I think you're wrong about the 'fitting in thing' because this site is full of the most diverse bunch or weirdos I've ever seen. To fit in here... you have to be a nut. These crazy bastards are the best thing that ever happened to me.. one guy...he had a forehead like a drive in theater--we called him mongo

But, the point is, it's hard to join the army...maybe that's why I want it. The 'golden ticket'

Oh, the grass would be so much greener if I could access the 'members only' areas of the site.....

_wayne_

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ItsLookingUp /

"member's only" area. WOW, That's new intelligence! The Platoon hack will be dispatched as soon as he runs out of gas, breaks down or it rains. We'll try to get you in there wayne. Over and out

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david f martin /

I think trying to fit in is stupid.

Let's say you get your own Moped Army branch, and you're responsible because you've been pestering the people in charge. Does that make you the Big MopedArmy Cahuna in your neck of the woods? How do you know the higher ups (or your subordinates) aren't laughing about you behind your back? Is that "fitting in"?

Folks like to be with you when you're making the best of your situation and enjoying it, and you're willing to share with others.

You've got a bunch of 50cc bikes now, so you can experiment with a couple of them, maybe learn something. You have a wife and a couple of friends who enjoy riding with you. What more do you really need?

If and when the MopedArmy wants you, I'm sure they will let you know.

david

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