MOPED ARMY

shut up man, your just another stupid idiot who does not know what he is doing and talking our of your ass

Actuatually I have heard many accounts of Tomos stuff sucking. Which is why I am very worried about getting one. Supposedely it sells only by the name brand. And from what I have seen from my friends bikes, they havnt held together too well.

I still probably will get one. But only because i think they look sweet! And iff it starts falling apart, I'll sell it on ebay and get a real good bike.

And for some reason i think oli and fuji are just ppl who own Tomos's and cant bear for their "pretty little baby" to be badmouthed.

I am not saying Tomos's are bad, but i hear a lot more crap about them than any other moped company ever... Nuff said.

hehehe... funny report Frank... (don't know if you think its funny.. but your review was to me)

Most mopeds are pretty cheaply made.. but I generally prefer the Jap stuff for quality and engineering myself.

(but then they don't make mopeds anymore either)

.. by the way... I thought it was common knowledge that the Odo was in kilometers.. (?)

... I don't see that as a big deal at all... its just a number.. (to be converted or not .. as you wish)

... yeah mine are in miles also... I was referring to the Tomos that was the topic of this thread.

I want to thank ali and fuji for...well...getting fucked. Thumbs up Ali!! Learned that one in the Persian Gulf. Oh...I'm sorry...it's O-L-I!! Just move that over two fingers, my boy.

Anyway thanks Fred. My odo probably is in miles. But my dealer insists its in mph and Tomos USA remains mute on the issue. They probably hope no one notices so the warranties on their bikes will appear to lapse sooner. That's pretty low down if you ask me, even for a Recovering Bolshevik.

[Somebody around these parts said that the odo is in neither miles nor kilometers. It's in money.]

This bike will rise again. It'll get it fixed and probably get it sold. And I'll probably buy that Honda Metropolitan I PASSED ON to buy my crappy Tomos. And the learning experience has been great. I'll be that much better off when I buy a good Japanese bike. That's right...the Metropolitan is still Made In Japan!

Just to give my experience - I've had my tomos since new (2000) and put almost 4k km on it so far, and it's been quite the solid machine for me. So far I've had to replace bulbs and some parts of the wiring (metal fatigue on some of the connectors and such, I decided to go with an entirely new front harness just for reliabilities sake) - aside from these (and these didn't show up until after 2500km) it's been a rock solid machine for me.

It wouldn't surprise me however to find the odometer being off - I've ridden a puch, a tomos, and a jawa... and I don't believe any of them were exactly spot on for that (moped odometers aren't usually precise so far as I'm aware.

I think part of things can be the dealer you get (how well they put together the machine makes a big difference, and I have heard horror stories about putting the wrong oil in, hooking up things incorrectly, etc) And like anything else, you occasionally get bad parts - but again if you have a decent dealer it isn't a hassle. In my case they did a recall on a brake issue - just because SOME machines in a batch had slightly longer braking distances - and the dealer came to my house, did all the work, all under the recall so no charge (and I ended up with brand new brakes and cables)

And I've never even noticed a braking issue whatsover.

For the shifting issue - do you have a biturbo or performance exhaust on your machine? They tend to throw off the shifting a bit because they're altering the power of your machine. That isn't bad design, the performance exhaust is changing the stock design from what is intended.

Mind you it's entirely possible you got a crap machine and I got lucky and got a solid one - but I thought I'd give my experience just to balance out the viewpoints (Few too many people saying "I heard this about Tomos" without saying they actually OWN one :)

Jamie

Actually I wasn't comparing it to the honda at all (never even mentioned it) - I simply was saying my experience with the machine. (in which the only problem I ever had was the wiring needing to be fixed... but after 3 years of steady rain and sun riding through summer/spring/fall and a part of the winter... something is bound to break. Toronto weather isn't always moped friendly.

Besides - isn't the elite a scooter and not a moped? Major difference in design and usually quality (Scooters tend to be better built than mopeds, and have generally newer designs for engines and such)

Nope - heard good things about them certainly (depending on the make and model, some models had well known issues from what I have been reading) I have a few friends with japanese scooters as well which have been ultra solid machines for them - but as you mentioned, different beast in terms of reliability (all mopeds are going to break if you ride them - sooner or later. Cheaper construction than most scooters. :)

For personal experience however I just have ridden the Tomos, Puch, and Jawa brands - all of which I've found to be good for mopeds. (The tomos, despite the wiring issue has never failed to start and never failed to move... the only thing the wiring problem affected was the headlight went out on me - and considering I use it to get up to work which is 42km away reliability is a fairly major thing for me :)

Besides the wiring fault could be partially due to being overstressed - I've gone down on the bike twice (in both cases car drivers did rather illegal things and basically gave me a choice of eating pavement or eating fender... I choose pavement, it was moving a bit more slowly) Still, after sliding around for a fair distance at 30kph, the bike still ran fine - only some plastic body bits cracked and scratched, mechanically it was still working just fine.

Still, if I ever get a chance to buy one I can afford (since I don't actually NEED it I'll admit) I'd love to add a japanese moped to the collection and give it a try. But I'm happy enough with the Tomos as my daily ride. :)

Frank, I'm sure you don't need the advise but just ignore the little snot noses like oli and fuji, who probably had to take time off the tit to write their little nasty notes. I'm sure there are more than enough lemons put out by all the moped makers and you just had the bad luck to get one of the worst. I hope you can get things worked out and start enjoying the bike. By the way, my Avanti reads both speed and distance in miles and has proven to be quite accurate. The Avanti has taken it's share of hits here for some quality problems, but mine has proven to be rock solid, not one thing coming loose or failing, and it is a very nice bike to ride. Best of luck to you, and keep us posted on your problems and solutions....Ken D

Hello, A bike you can buy cheap, why, I can`t understand is the Trac, dont laugh! Take a look, the rear swingarm is heavy tubealar steal and the forks are hydraulic, as is the shocks, they are a great bike, atleast the 86 Olympic w/ Daelim engine.. Ouality Korean workmanship! The list goes on, look one over. I do like the Tomos, only because you can throw it togeather rather quickly, like the factory..... and they are money in the bank for me...he..he! I also like the Puch MK2, like I sold Chuck... Doug D.

I think a good solution is:

Just buy a used bike! Not only does it cost less. But if your buying it from someone close, and they sell you a shit bike. Take it back to them! Hopefully they will be honost and you will know its a good bike. Instead of buying a new one and then finding out that it is a lemon. You can buy one that has already been used, and the (hopefully honost person) will know if it sucks or not. Plus if it does suck... YOU KNOW WHERE THEY SLEEP! hehehe :-)