Old Maxi hardtail cracked :(

Hello

A couple of years back i bought an old puch maxi in parts for 500 danish crowns. (73dollars).

I put it together using youtube tutorials and tried to get it running. When it finally fired up i rode it like a mad man (i was 13 years old at the time). This harsh treatment resulted in a crack in the left back ”tail” just before where the exhaust-bolt thing is.

After that i put it in the garage and since then i haven’t ridden it. I started doing other things such as play my guitar. But now, some years later, i want to be able to both play my guitar and ride my maxi.

So how would one weld this crack in the best way? Or is the moped ”rusted beyond saving”?

(Sorry for the long story)

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That appears to be surface rust, not rot, so it should be repairable. Looks like it blew out/bent. Easy fix.

If that crack was to be welded as-is it could last. You’re better off having it reinforced with a plate on the inside to “box it in”.

Make sure the chain clearance is checked prior to boxxing it in though (edited)

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have you tried welding on the back half of a regular maxi? I saw a tutorial recently

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I think you can get laser cut boxing sections from Mofakult.ch but my German isn't good enough to give you a direct link.

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Maize is the expert on this repair.

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you could just weld in the bar stock and it would be stronger than stock.

or you could weld the back of a regular one on for some sweet sweet suspension. (edited)

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As soon as I saw this post, I knew Maize would be in the comments

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As long as he doesn't try riding the moped and playing the guitar at the same time.

However, a guitar-shaped moped sounds pretty cool...

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Carl Emil Bager /

Alright, yes i was already leaning towards some kind of reinforcement.

So.. basically just a metal plate on the inside welded ”over” the crack? How big should the plate be? I should probably sand the surface rust off first right? And then paint it with hammerite or something afterwards?

Ive never welded before, but ill probably just find some old man down at the harbour and ask him to weld the plate on in exchange for a six pack of tuborg beer.

And no, i wasnt going to ride the moped while playing the guitar, but now that you mentioned it i think it sounds like a pretty genius idea. Maybe thats the next post on here - ”how do i power a 200watt marshall stack with a 50cc two stroke?”

(The ”two piece maxi” by maize is magnificent)

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This guy was riding around Minneapolis with a guitar. . .

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> Carl Emil Bager wrote:

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> Alright, yes i was already leaning towards some kind of reinforcement.

>

> So.. basically just a metal plate on the inside welded ”over” the crack?

> How big should the plate be? I should probably sand the surface rust off

> first right? And then paint it with hammerite or something afterwards?

>

> Ive never welded before, but ill probably just find some old man down at

> the harbour and ask him to weld the plate on in exchange for a six pack

> of tuborg beer.

>

> And no, i wasnt going to ride the moped while playing the guitar, but

> now that you mentioned it i think it sounds like a pretty genius idea.

> Maybe thats the next post on here - ”how do i power a 200watt marshall

> stack with a 50cc two stroke?”

>

> (The ”two piece maxi” by maize is magnificent)

Whatever you want welded needs to be free of paint and rust.

That should definitely be stick welded, in my opinion. And the “patch” on the back should extend at least three inches on each side of said crack.

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Wait why stick and not TIG?

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I was suggesting stick, because most people have stick or MIG. Not many people (at least people I know) do TIG. Unless they are at a professional level.

As long as whatever the person welding is using has visually good penetration, it should be fine. Especially with a patch on the backside.

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Since it is so simple, I would take it apart, sandblast the whole frame, then have a professional weld it and reinforce it, then repaint the frame and put it back together. Because of how badly that is rusted, I would check inside the tank. Puch frames are made of very thin stamped steel. I've never been good at welding really thin steel. If you burn a hole in it you don't get a second chance. I don't know about Denmark, but I know a couple of people who would have no problem welding that for cheap (unless the rust is worse than it looks) then I would look for another frame.

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^ yeah. You could break it down and get it blasted and welded perfect and powder coated.

I have had a couple Maxi N's blasted and Powder coated for under $200

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Chris Carleton /

Brazing would be my choice to repair with some kinda gusset if needed. Mig or Tig would tend to crack unless you have a way to heat and cool entire frame to equalize the steel.

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Carl Emil Bager /

okay, you are giving me some good options here..

while taking it all apart and sandblasting etc would be the "best" solution, i don't think i want to do that if the simple weld and reinforcement is possible.

The frame is in good shape except for the back "tails" that hold the wheel. The opposite side is similar rust wise but with no crack.. but the rest of the moped doesn't have much rust at all.

But is it really that hard to weld that part without screwing up?

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I think its world be very easy to weld.

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The same bike maize posted I’m currently working on fixing the rear supports. I’m boxing the rear end in with 3mm plates I’ve made. The cardboard was my template

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Dude, if you are asking the question, then I'll assume you can't do the work yourself? Like you said "The frame is in good shape except for the back "tails" that hold the wheel". They hold the back wheel. Take it to someone and get it done properly, by someone who knows how to do it. Don't try and find out what happens if you cut corners on fixing it.

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I agree with maize, it should be easy. For someone who has the skills to do it. If you have any doubts about your ability to do it right, then DON'T. It will not be good if the frame breaks and the rear wheel falls off at 30 mph. Either have it done right or don't do it. Because of all the paint and rust around the crack, it will need to be cleaned up really well so it can be inspected better. If you don't want to sandblast it, that could probably be done using a grinder or drill with a wire wheel. You can't weld paint and rust. This is NOT a place to cheap out.

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There is some GARBAGE advice being given. That crack could easily be MIG welded. Or TIG welded. Who would choose to stick weld such thin metal?

Brazing the crack wouldn't hold up well at all. Brazing is a great method for stuff that isn't structural.

Flap disc it to clean the rust and paint. Hammer/bend it back to where it needs to be. Lay down some fat beads. And grind them down flat.

You can burn a hole through and it's absolutely savable. Turn the welder down and start "stacking" the bead. Seems like most of the welding advice is being given by people who don't weld.

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Maybe you can ship it to Mays. You might have seen the thread on swapping to suspension. But I think he has a spare rear end now. Could probably weld that on the front part of your frame so you don’t have to worry about the crack in the rear.

Honestly, JB Weld with some sand mixed in will hold it for at least another 100-105 or so hours of riding. From there, you can hit it with nitrogen (don’t use Hood) to equalize the steel and merge it with the JB Weld (maybe get you another 300-400 hours).

There’s a lot of advice in this thread, but if you really want to take it to the next level I’d just put it in a shallow tray of epoxy resin (the green, not the blue) and then use a dremel to cut off the extra material. From there you could convert it to belt drive to reduce strain and get more CC’s. It’s a two stroke, not a tomos.

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^ that is a great idea.

If you are going to really get in there and start welding stuff. You might as well throw a variated engine on it.

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Love that .75” of fork travel. Worst case just fill the fork tubes with Great Stuff/kitty litter to reduce wear and tear on the seals. All that suspending is stressful, and it’s impossible to torque it to spec.

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> CORN PED wrote:

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> ^ yeah. You could break it down and get it blasted and welded perfect

> and powder coated.

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> I have had a couple Maxi N's blasted and Powder coated for under $200

Didnt you have a nice red one with original paint too?

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> Born to be WillD wrote:

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> > CORN PED wrote:

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> > ^ yeah. You could break it down and get it blasted and welded perfect

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> > and powder coated.

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> > I have had a couple Maxi N's blasted and Powder coated for under $200

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> Didnt you have a nice red one with original paint too?

yup. I've had 5+ they are a dime a dozen in MN. You can trade em to the Canadians for 40Ts all day.

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