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Well its been about a week and a half since my 91 ford ranger decided to quick working for me... i suspect its an igniton problem... although ive changed out the starter, relay, and wiring. Im stumped and going to be forced to pay a mechanic look at it. Ive been saving up for a while for a good college car. Im going to commute from home, so a good one is nessary. Something 98-02 ish... Instead my dad pulled up saturday in a 91 dodge dynasty. I dont mind it all too bad, and i payed $1000 for it.... so i figured it would get me back and forth to work, and i can eventually get my truck fixed also for a spare. That worked for about two days... the damn thing started to act up... and being that its fuel injected... very limited on what i can do. Its got crap in the gas tank, and the filter is in there too. So im trying water remover, but not helping very well, and it likes to die. Right now its sitting about 2 miles from my house. Im so pissed off at it, that i would almost wake up at 5:30 AM on monday and drive my ped the 20 miles to work. I got to be there at 7, so i need time incase i have to pedal the rest of the way....

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Zach Pipik /

Is the ranger injected? I once worked on a ranger that had been sitting in front of my apartment for two months. The only thing I had to do to get it running (apart from removing the air cleaner that was soooooo nasty..) was to take the throttle body off and clean it just like a carb. Im assuming that youve got spark?

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yah, got spark... first of all i thought my starter went out... and after we took it out, it was about done. Got a replacement... its fuel injected also.

It sends power to starter, then just clicks like it tired. I thought maybe my flywheel was missing teeth or messed up, but then again, the starter should turn if this is the reason. It is a standard, so it can be push started... and when done, runs fine. All fueses are intact... im puzzled

any idea?

casey

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Dumb question: is your battery dead?

More intelligent question: is the braided wire grounding strap that runs from your engine block to the frame (sometimes to the starter itself) present, in tact, and securely bolted at both ends?

If no, 10 to 1 odds that's your problem.

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chuck russo va /

so when u try to start it, it jsut clicks? my dad is co owner of a ford shop so i will ask him and see what he thinks

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chuck russo va /

umm my dad said make sure your battery is fully charged and he said check the stater relay, but u said u replaced it and i told him that and he said then somthing isnt hooked up right or your battery is weak

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For the ranger try to jump it - it also may be your starter solenoid. Good thing on fords- it's usually on the inside of the fender near the battery. Check all your cables, positive and ground, and make sure you don't have a burnt out fuzable link(if it uses them)

For the (anti)Chrysler- You will have to drain the tank, and check that all your fuel pumps and filters are good. You may also have to pull the injectors and clean them.

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Ron Brown /

Casey,

All you have to do is follow the voltage.

Get your hands on a voltmeter. Connect it to the negative and positive terminals of the battery. You should see 12 volts, or a little more. While watching the voltmeter, operate the starter. If the voltage drops more than a couple of volts, either the battery or the terminal connection is bad. To check the terminals, move the meter connections, one at a time, from the terminal to the actual battery post, then try the starter again. If you sill see the voltage drop on both terminals, your battery is bad. If you only see it on one, the other terminal has a bad connection.

If the above test show the battery and terminals to be good, move the negative lead to the block and try again. If the voltage drops more than a couple of volts, the ground wire from the ballery to the block is bad. This may be a wire from the battery to the body, then another wire from the body to the block.

If this test is ok, connect the negative wire to the battery terminal again and move the positive wire to the other end of the positive battery cable. Try the starter again, if the voltage drops, the cable is bad, if not, move on to the next connection on the way to the starter. Eventually, you will see the voltage drop and jou will have just gone by the culprit.

Try it, it's easy. Just make sure you allways get a good connection with the meter so you don't get fooled.

You can buy a meter at Radio Shlock for about $15,00 if you don't know anyone who has one.

Ron

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also, check the battery teminals to make sure they are not corroded. on my dad's car, it wouldn't start one day, just click, because the terminal was too corroded to let enough current through.

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flannelman /

this simple to fix it is one of these to thing

1 fuel injectors

2controlmogel (i dont know how to spell thats word and my spell check doesnt work)

if you buy a msd 6al you shouldnt have a problem any more

heres what i got so far

tried 3 different batteries, two used ones and a new one out of my dads brand new dodge ram. All same responce, just one click.

heres what i got so far

tried 3 different batteries, two charged used ones and a new one out of my dads brand new dodge ram. All same responce, just one click from the starter.

for the parts, i replaced relay, starter, and solonoid. Have a meter and made sure i was grounded. And tested all parts before putting in.

Followed and tested all wires from relay to starter. Found no dead or burnt wires. I can check out that wiring harness as mentioned in the thread. Have to observe the situation more. Tomorrow will be a good day to work on it, as for the dodge dynasty... just got done (slowly) rolling along. I tried some heet, and it isnt working... so im gonna have to drain and replace the fuel filter. Ill take the fuel line off also, and blow it out with compressed air to be sure all trash is out.

So thats the priority for the moment... work on the dodge first then will spend more time looking over the ranger before taking it to the shop. (if needed)

if you have anymore ideas, id be glad to hear them. Thanks for the info.

ill check it out

thanks ron,

im sure my problem is in there somewhere, it has to be... tomorrow will be a good day to fully check everything. Thanks for the advice.

casey

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Don't forget- most FI cars have 2 pumps- one in the tank and annother somewhere along the line. It's never fun to get the one out of the tank. Ask any mustang 5.0 guy about that- they either know about it, or run badly.

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Casey Jones /

as a foresight of things to come, i went ahead and bought the Chiltons Dodge Dynasty Repair book, ill check to see where the pumps are at. Thanks

casey

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david f martin /

Casey,

After you've followed Ron's advice on the supply wiring, try this:

Before you try this, MAKE SURE the truck is out of gear and the parking brake is set (ask me why)...

Take a screwdriver or wrench and short the two wires on the starter together (a big one and a little one). If it turns the starter, then the ignition switch may be bad, or it could be a problem in the wiring to/from the switch.

Also, is it a manual transmission? When it was working right, did you have to push in the clutch pedal before the starter would work? That's another place to look.

david

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Ron Brown /

Casey,

You are talking about a click from the starter motor itself aren't you?

If so, do what I said in my other post. If not, post.

Ron

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flannelman /

what year is your ranger

second of all dont go under the the truck

the part you want to jump is on the top part of the motor on the driver side your positive cable goes to it and there is two large post on it . thats were you jump it

what size motor do you have 2.3

2.9

4.0

i know alot about the 2.3 and 2.9

there is not two fuel pump on a ranger

common things that go are controlmogals the starting silinoids and if you have a 2.9 the motors likes to blow (the water jacket are to thin and crack after a 100000 mile ) along with the transmission

ive had 3 rangers all with the 2.9 and a mustang with the 2.3 well i hope you get your truck get running

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