> Stephen Keller wrote:
> ^ Man, you seem REALLY uptight about this, and to a degree, I can really
> see where you are coming from, BUT, things cost more now, that is not to
> say seeing something for a crazy amount over what it really should cost
> is "right", example, I bought my Hobbit for $250.00 23 yrs ago, when I
> had no money at all, it has followed me through thick and thin for 23
> yrs, the market for un-molested stock bikes has climbed, I say it is
> worth 1k right now, and I don't care if you think that is out of line,
> it has a clean tank, modern tires and runs well, could prob use a new
> plug, but don't care, it runs
I bought my first moped 17 years ago, and it was *more* expensive than 75% of the bikes I've bought in the last year, because I moved! Mopeds really are that cheap in the midwest.
And sure, I *could* sell my bikes at a profit, but that's an incredibly disgusting idea to me.
> Now, if I knew a person who
> needed it to get to work and help themselves out I would sell it to them
> cheaper, or in the right circumstance give it to them, might even pay
> for 6month insurance in their name so they could be legal until they got
> on their feet, (it's like 70 buck a year) I have empathy for people in
> need, I have been in my life as well, but I never asked for anything, I
> made it myself. That is not to say others could not use a hand up. If
> you can afford to help and do, my hat is off to you, but there is also
> no foul in asking for what the local market bears for a bike. If you do
> it and laugh at an acquaintance that needs help, yeah, dick move, but if
> you are just not using a bike and would rather see it used, ask market
> value, I agree the 2k Hobbit is nuts, but what would be more nuts is if
> someone bought it, maybe the seller would be so happy to have the money?
> We don't know others situations, in my mind, if some one pays it and you
> don't take it, you are the foolish one. If you really feel the need to
> give back, take the 2k, lets say you bought the bike for 400, put a
> hundred into it, take the 500, and use the other 1,500 to either buy
> more, or give the money to someone in need, making money is not a sin,
> what you choose to do with it can be, or it can be used for other good
> things, or you can pay your rent, or party or do whatever you choose,
> making money is no sin.
We all need to survive, but exploiting others is, in my view, a "sin." It's better, in my view, when we help each other.
> I like you man, but I think you need to relax a
> bit. Mopeds are not a social statement, and as mentioned above, you have
> 32 of them? Why have you not given them all away yet?
Because I'm not done with them yet! I find it pretty dang weird that people assume since I do sell bikes at cost and give them away to cool people that I should give away every bike I have. Just because I'm willing to put my resources into building the moped community doesn't mean that I don't get to enjoy it too!
> While I accept you
> are not viewing them as an investment, neither 'am I, but I'am very
> willing to accept a fair price for mine, I'm down to 2 and one scooter,
> I just can't see the tension about pricing you have. I'm not slamming on
> you, but I don't share your view either, and not everyone who owns's
> these bikes does either. I guess I just don't think that makes us suck
> either? Any used motor vehicle is worth what another is willing to pay
> for it. I'm really trying to be civil here, as I understand your view,
> but I'm hoping you can see others point as well? Not everyone who comes
> into a moped is into moped lyfe... ? Does that make sense?
You know what they say about opinions. :-)
And look, obviously I'm not the boss of anyone else. Do as you will. This site is, however, representative of the moped army community, of which I am a member, and I'll not be silent when people come here to screw folks over. Does that make sense?