Re: 85 Honda Spree

> P D wrote:

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> The starter motor internals look decent . if the field coils didn't

> smell burnt / toasty , it should last a long time .

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> Starter motors draw big amperage , so be sure all connections are bright

> clean and scratch tight and the battery has to be fully charged or very

> close to it .

Yeah no burnt smell but won’t spin over. Can I use a drill to spin the flywheel side over?

Not sure what else to check on that flywheel shaft to make it spin faster and unfortunately the 85 had no kickstarter. Any ideas?

Re: 85 Honda Spree

Give the drill a shot . Could well be that once you have the motor dialed in it may not take much to start it .

Re: 85 Honda Spree

> Kenny Shinneman wrote:

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> Are you positive you have all the liquid out of the cylinder and

> crankcase? Will the starter turn the engine over with the spark plug and

> oil injector removed? Just making sure before you tear apart the

> starter. Good luck.

Will try turning it over without the plug and also with a drill on the flywheel.

What would removing the plug and getting it to turn over better signify? Clogged exhaust or something?

Re: 85 Honda Spree

Quick update: taking the plug out, it turns over easily and shoots gas out of the plug hole. Put plug back in, doesn’t turn.

Put some oil in the plug hole, then spun it over with the drill on the flywheel and gas was coming out plug hole and also coming through the fuel line from petcock so gas is getting to cylinder for sure.

Put the plug back in, tried to spin it over with the drill and the bolt just came off the flywheel. Any ideas?

Re: 85 Honda Spree

i've had this issue with both a Spree and an Elite. Both times the starter needed to be replaced. If you're getting full volts to the starter and your battery fully charged is reading 12.5 - 13v, replace the starter motor.

I spent a long time messing around with the start button, starter relay, bendix, battery. It was the starter motor both times. (edited)

Re: 85 Honda Spree

> Gerry F wrote:

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> i've had this issue with both a Spree and an Elite. Both times the

> starter needed to be replaced. If you're getting full volts to the

> starter and your battery fully charged is reading 12.5 - 13v, replace

> the starter motor.

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> I spent a long time messing around with the start button, starter relay,

> bendix, battery. It was the starter motor both times.

It should crank using a drill and bypassing the starter to isolate that if the starter is the issue. Just not sure how to drill start it when the flywheel nut just backs off.

Re: 85 Honda Spree

Here’s what it does with plug in..

https://youtube.com/shorts/1TGv8EE408g?feature=share

Re: 85 Honda Spree

Sounds like you've been trying to turn over a hydro locked motor .

Pull the plug and spin the motor until no more gas comes out .

Re: 85 Honda Spree

> P D wrote:

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> Sounds like you've been trying to turn over a hydro locked motor .

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> Pull the plug and spin the motor until no more gas comes out .

Did that too, same result just won’t fire even with the drill. It’s definitely getting spark, gas, and air. Only thing I haven’t tried is cranking it over with the exhaust off.

Re: 85 Honda Spree

> S C wrote:

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> > Sounds like you've been trying to turn over a hydro locked motor .

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> > Pull the plug and spin the motor until no more gas comes out .

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> Did that too, same result just won’t fire even with the drill. It’s

> definitely getting spark, gas, and air. Only thing I haven’t tried is

> cranking it over with the exhaust off.

Try it . if it fires , it'll be loud .

Then clean the exhaust . Oven cleaner does a good job , followed by a garden hose rinse . Then , repeat .

Re: 85 Honda Spree

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> > Did that too, same result just won’t fire even with the drill. It’s

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> > definitely getting spark, gas, and air. Only thing I haven’t tried is

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> > cranking it over with the exhaust off.

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> Try it . if it fires , it'll be loud .

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> Then clean the exhaust . Oven cleaner does a good job , followed by a

> garden hose rinse . Then , repeat .

I’ll try that this weekend and see if it works.

If not, I’ll replace the petcock and remove the fuel lines then spin it over to clear the gas out of the cylinder. Then I guess replace the plug and lines and try again with the drill on the drive gear. Aside from that what else can I try?

Re: 85 Honda Spree

Just hold the throttle wide open when you spin the motor to clear the cylinder .

Re: 85 Honda Spree

Make sure your spark plug is the correct one. I picked up a spree once for free because the engine was locked up. Come to find out the spark plug was too long and it was jamming the piston.....

Re: 85 Honda Spree

Sounds like you still have fuel in the cylinder/crankcase. It should not “shoot fuel out the plug hole.”.

Did you remove the oil injector pump and use the vacuum method to remove all liquid? It won’t turn over or start if it’s hydro locked with fuel or oil.

Also confirm your exhaust isn’t plugged. Straighten a hanger out and push it as far as you can into the muffler to clear anything that may have it plugged.

Again, you should NOT have fuel shooting out the plug hole.

Re: 85 Honda Spree

> Kenny Shinneman wrote:

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> Sounds like you still have fuel in the cylinder/crankcase. It should not

> “shoot fuel out the plug hole.”.

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> Did you remove the oil injector pump and use the vacuum method to remove

> all liquid? It won’t turn over or start if it’s hydro locked with fuel

> or oil.

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> Also confirm your exhaust isn’t plugged. Straighten a hanger out and

> push it as far as you can into the muffler to clear anything that may

> have it plugged.

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> Again, you should NOT have fuel shooting out the plug hole.

I’ll try this to see how much gas/oil I can get out then turn it over after to clear it as much as possible from the cylinder then try firing again before taking off the exhaust. If that doesn’t work, I’ll back the exhaust off and try again.

Will also see if the coat hanger will go in there or if its totally clogged up.

Re: 85 Honda Spree

Quick update: removed the oil pump per suggestion and didn’t see much if any gas. Removed the exhaust. Spun it over with drill on the crank shaft and it took a little while but eventually did fire up! So now, I’m curious if exhaust is plugged and what next steps should be?

Video running without exhaust. Put phone down in the video to adjust the idle screw to hold the throttle open more to keep it running. Very end is engine running/idling.

https://youtube.com/shorts/bVPB04p-h9w?feature=share

Re: 85 Honda Spree

Yep >>> forget the past as if it never happened and live for today ...there are new friends to make and old friends to reunite with without bringing up the past..it should remain forgotten..

Re: 85 Honda Spree

> Pops Peds wrote:

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> Yep >>> forget the past as if it never happened and live for today

> ...there are new friends to make and old friends to reunite with without

> bringing up the past..it should remain forgotten..

Pretty much good advise ... But , Maybe on the wrong thread ? ;)

Re: 85 Honda Spree

So that petcock failed and filled up the case again. Took the oil pump off, drained all the gas out, spark plug out, turned it over until the gas was out. Cranked up with the drill.

Tried using the key and it just wound down without the exhaust on. Blew compressed air through the exhaust and has good flow so not thinking its clogged. That only leaves the starter, battery, and bendix. Is there a way to jumpstart it directly on the starter and bypass the battery to rule that out? Battery has 13.4 volts charged.

Re: 85 Honda Spree

Damn pd ..i am not sure how that happened.. was supposed to be in brandons thread about rejoining the community

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