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Born to be WillD /

https://www.yescomusa.com/products/20-electric-bicycle-motor-front-wheel-fat-tire-kit-36v-750w?CATARGETID=120076580000019660&CADevice=c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrLn9hvPC6gIVh4bACh0nxQNlEAYYAyABEgKjmfD_BwE

It's basically this. 90% sure that's the same one, but not where I bought it from.

actually looking at it, it's definitely the exact same setup

The one I got also claimed to be 1kW, but it's obviously not even 750, controller seems to manage maybe 20A and it's 36v... And the battery claiming 11Ah is realistically not performing at close to half that. I get about a 5 mile range at 15mph and then can maybe eke out another mile or 3 at steadily declining speed, then it's dead.

Like I said tho, it was a funny idea, I wouldnt recommend this route, It's not a practical ebike, but it does add acceleration and a pedal-free backup if the ICE goes south. I should test out a 2WD hillclimb, like on shitty terrain. It climbs hills fine. Really it's just like pedals on a moped without the effort

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This would be neat on a bike like a morini or minarelli where the pedal gearing doesnt really allow you to pedal off the line

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🇮🇹💦 Of the Loin /

Oh yeah I believe that motor has planetary gears inside it

You want a scooter hub motor, then 1kw is okay, and 3kw will get you to 45 no problem

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Born to be WillD /

So now after commuting this for a few months (but only a few days a week vs WFH) since my sachs got looted, I gotta say the hybrid drive is actually really great. I'm like 4 tanks in at about 60-80mpg, Or around 50x 5 mile trips and some random intown rides besides. so I dunno 2-300mi.

1) makes it very easy to start, you just kinda hit the go button and the ICE engine chugs along til it warms up and takes you away

2) start and hillclimb, it really does climb and start uphill a LOT better, on my commute theres a big steep dirt hill to go around a fence, but it cuts almost a mile out of my commute and keeps me on much nicer smaller roads. I used to pedal or sometimes even walk my kitted sachs but this does it really effortlessly.

3) Ass saving! Only twice has the bike died (once clogged petcock, once I just ran outta gas) but the electric saved my ass both times, just e-power my way home. it's slow, only like 15mph but way faster and easier than pedaling.

4ish) not a big gain but the lights are bangin', LED's easy, and if I was more industrious, blinkers would be dead simple and really any 12v accessory. I mean pretty standard battery advantage but it counts for something

5ish) I can get away with bike paths and sidewalks, still to a limited extent but moreso than with the engine buzzing away

Anyway, Ive come to really love it, it get insane mileage and I only charge it weekly (it was 2x daily if I drove full on e-mode before it'd lose it's go) and it's been a really surprisingly great, reliable and fun whip.

Biggest negatives? The battery should probably be more rigidly affixed, it's fine for now but will probably fatigue the mounts in a year or 2. and the mechanical disk front brake on the hub motor is only so-so. it works fine but it's just janky and I don't trust it's longevity. probably need pads semi frequently.

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^ I fucking love it! :)

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I know it wasnt the intention, and im not trying to turn this into some moped speed addict post. I’m not that crazy concerned about going fast. But, i would love to see this set up on a moderate stock ported ped with a good pipe.

It could be geared for high speed cruising and use the electric like a first gear/ clutch saver. The hub motor, controller and battery really are not that much weight to add. I have two E50s at home. One is going to be a stock 50/50 attempt. The other I think will be a hybrid custom job. streamlined and geared for high speed commuting.

I loved the original Honda Insight. It was a tiny underpowered engine that could do amazing MPG on flat highways. The motor was just a helper for acceleration and hills. I think that would make a fast, 200 MPG moped possible. For people that are into that sort of thing.

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That's awesome, I was kinda bummed to be honest when you said it was lame and parked it.

Seems like the daelim motor is a good choice for this too since they do get out and move pretty good once they are up and running but they are doggy off the line with low compression and no kits available

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

I was thinking of doing this with a batavus m48 but use a motobeacane pulley so it could disengage the gas motor.

It's awesome will.

We got a tow path that runs from Scranton to bristol.

My work around is a handicapped placard. You get one for your car then goto kinkos and make a sticker with the #.

Now it's a medically needed motorized vehicle. The law allows that on dnr trails.

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Yeah the m48 was actually one of the first ones I thought of, they can be decent quick once they are off and running but the clutch is so bad, I seriously think the Dutch meant for you to pedal off the line. It's like the only bike that is faster when you do that.

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

They have standard dry clutches @ the tractor supply

When I get back to the bat I always thought a tomar would rule.

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Awesome update, the added hill climb + having a way to power home seems like serious gains to me. Hate that feeling when a bike just quits a couple miles from home. Keep us updated

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I really dig the hybrid using these hubs, glad to see it has been a success.

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Born to be WillD /

Someone was asking on Facebook and I came back to this. Thought I'd update again.. this is all I ride anymore haha

I love it! Why? Because it's sooooo easy. Like I don't have to kick it or fiddle with it to start, I just go sit on it and push the go button and soon enough the gas motor kicks on and im off. That and it's all set where I like it, seat and all. I got the controller mounted up nicer and the brake solid, its not been an issue and I'm def over 1000 miles by now. It's no blaster but could slow pack a rally no problem, but it just winds up a perfect commuter cuz its just so mindlessly easy and efficient

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Super cool!

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^word!

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Jesse Nordlander /

Fabulous idea. I'm going to have to put one on a minarelli, same type of chassis you have. Once that's setup I'm thinking of using an internally geared rear hub for maximum blasto. Something like a nuvinci n380. If

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i read that some electric/hybrid cars when u let off the acceleration, as you passively decelerate/cruise the electric motor(s) charges the battery. if your not using the ebike hub when in moped mode, could u charge up the battery system like that? could be a really chill concept for a slow, sustainable, distance build

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Beach Club Nick /

> fox -+:| Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> i read that some electric/hybrid cars when u let off the acceleration,

> as you passively decelerate/cruise the electric motor(s) charges the

> battery. if your not using the ebike hub when in moped mode, could u

> charge up the battery system like that? could be a really chill concept

> for a slow, sustainable, distance build

The engine braking during regen is pretty severe generally speaking. Also you wouldn't really regenerate that much in an application like this.

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Born to be WillD /

it actually does kinda do that, a little, like if I turn off the battery the hub still powers the lights. but its very little, i kinda gauge it by how far it coasts, and it coasts forever. like the resistance is not noticable.

i mean, your flywheel should have equivalent resistance if that were powering the lights instead. so, yea. I wanted it to do a hard regen braking but the controller I have doesn't do that. even if not for the free power, I'd much prefer the e-motor to brake than just this janky (tho surprisingly sufficient) bicycle disk.

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Born to be WillD /

Hehe I'm be laughing when nobody can get gas

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I’m stoked to hear this project is working out long term! Please keep updates coming, if you spent $400 on this I’d be looking to go a little higher for better brakes . I have an e-bike I use for work so I already have a battery and charger, it’s the hub motor that’s the next stop. The lights is interesting too, trac has a battery 6v system but it’s super dim at a stoplight, I augment with bike lights. What is the tire size on your set up? 16 or 17?

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Born to be WillD /

Mine ran 16's, I dunno pretty sure that's what the fantic xke had stock, I got it completely bare frame tho

And the front was sold as a 20inch bicycle wheel, which is same size as a 16 moped, I used a mitas 16 tire.

I just sold it last week to some random guy from Ann Arbor for $350. He immediately popped the rear tire, threw it in back of the garage, and it will probably never be ridden again. I certainly lost some money on that sale but whatever, I'd hoped it would be enjoyed, that also doesnt seem to be the case but you know what really matters? nothing. nothing matters at all.

Why'd I sell it? because it worked very well and I thoroughly enjoyed riding it. that's the kinda stuff you want other people to enjoy. Then I can get back to suffering at my usual insufferable garbage.

It doesnt actually make much sense but the way I think about it, I'm more tolerant of shitty trash, so I should give up anything that isnt trash so that other people can use it, and since I can bear only having trash things.

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So sad to read this, hopefully you will do another hybrid, maybe a rear hub driven by motor both at the back wheel

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Totally normal JBOT /

https://newatlas.com/hero-motocorp-turbo-diesel-hybrid-electric-2wd-motorcycle/30768/

This thing looks pretty rad this and it's a 1500 watt generator to run your tools or whatever. (edited)

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^ That's awesome, wonder if it ever made it into production?

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