Does anyone have scans of moped engines? Or access to a 3D scanner to make some?
I am specifically in need of a Garelli NOI scan.
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i just found out this morning that a guy who owes me a favor is now in charge of the faro arm here at work.... sooooooooo
me and a guy have been working on a custom set of E50 cases for like 6 or 7 years but he did the measuring and modeling of the cases and i have found a few errors in his work so i kinda bailed on the project until i could find a good way to measure weird 3d geometry at high precision.
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I've got access to a scanner, but i dunno anyone that's ever scanned any cases.
Can i ask what you're trying to do? Just out of curiosity
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Can I give you minarelli v1 cases to scan
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Lets do this boys! Graham, now is definitely the time to get on that e50! It would open so many doors for custom applications.
I am attempting make a bolt on fan setup for a NOI. At best it will would be a full custom retro styled aluminum setup, at worst a 3D printed bracket that would allow for a mineral set up to bolt on. I only need the exterior flywheel side of a NOI done. I am getting by without it, but it would cut down on a lot of trial and error. I will be making all the files free for download.
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I would like what you're making but for v1s
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yeah i think blake ended up getting 108 fans made and in theory they should bolt right on to a garelli since its the same flywheel
the fan is the hard part since it spins high rpms and exploders, you could easily 3d print the shroud and housing and it should hold up pretty good
i use nylon, CPE, TPU and a TON of PLA at work. the nylon is spendy but its plenty strong for doing something like this
i think we have a scanner but i dunno how good it is and i've never had a reason to ask to get trained. for stuff like copying odd shaped bolt patterns and clearances and stuff the FARO arm works really good
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Maitlan, is that bc it’s too hard to Find v1 fan setups?
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Graham, I'm thinking of 3d printing in castable wax and casting the fan out of aluminum.
For the cover I thought about printing it and having it flame sprayed in aluminum :0
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TBH I have a bunch of fan setups
I just want to replace the plastic fan mounts with metal
And if the fan shroud is metal it opens up a lot of custom grill patterns and such and customization aka computer cases
The fan being plastic is fineeee i don't need razor leg chopper
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If you guys want things scanned, DM me and we can work it out. It's pretty quick, i could have your cases back in the mail the next day. I might have some v1 cases laying around that i could do up for Maitland though
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I'm with Maitland tho, plastic fan with metal cover sounds safest and coolest (pun intended)
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Have you guys heard of stock V1 aluminum fans exploding?
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Afaik only Fantic and Carabela have metal fans
I did some testing with deadped on the plastic fans, and I don't think metal fatigues the way the plastic does with the forces involved.
I don't see the benefit of a metal fan tho except for weight stabilizing an HPI to idle better
Yes plz what can i do to make this happen, i have some minty cases but I'd have to disassemble em
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i had a metal fan for years and i sent it to Parker for the xmas gift exchange, he said he has the matching shroud... i dunno if its fantic or carabella or what, it came to me with a pile of parts
i had a couple of those early deadped fans, i installed one of htem and it was working good when i sold the bike but i heard they all 'splodered. i dunno.
the aluminum fan is different, the fins are shorter and sturdy
if you were gonna make your own from scratch there is no reason to copy the factory fan, you could either make an adapter plate for a 3 hole scooter fan or just make it with very short fins- not as much cooling but i'm sure you'd still get plenty of air out of it.
i've been fucking with the aluminum casting on and off for years, still cant get anything to work but i might just be a big dummy. keep saying i'm gonna dust all that stuff off once i get through some projects but that never seems to happen.. oh well.
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My fan says minarelli on it, but idk where I got it from.
Graham, have looked into China yet? I’m see some factories willing to do smaller runs, or at least- affordable samples. I’m kinda leaning that way.
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The Yankee Peddler I had years ago was metal shroud, metal fan.
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We have hundreds of the 103, 108, and Fantic style fans. We own the molds and can have more produced when needed. I'm happy to send a sample to anyone looking to produce bases or covers for Minarelli or other models.
I do think the Fantic variety fan would translate well to the Garelli engine. It is very similar to the later style 108 fan but even more compact. I have a Garelli Team setup I can compare to when I'm back in town if that's helpful. Cruising Daytona Bike Week currently but back Monday.
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yup thats what mine came from, exact same one in the picture almost, had kinda weird logo on it like a garelli lookin logo? i dunno, ask parker to take a pic he has it now. The fins are shorter and stubbier. It came to me with 2 yankee peddlers in pieces and a box with parts of dirtbikes, scooters and all kinds of random shit.
yeah i get shit made in china all the time at work, last i talked to Blake he was working on getting 108's and 103's made over there. Plastic tooling would probably be 8-12k which is tough to pay back, you'd have to sell a lot of fans. Might be able to get it done as a low pressure permanent mold for cheaper if you went to thicker sections. CNC from billet might be able to get them for like 40-50 which becomes like $100 once you resell them if you sell them direct, i dunno how many people would bite on that
The other option i'm just thinking about now- and i don't know much about it- would be to do a thermoset carbon fiber/kevlar composite cast into a mold. I don't know how its done but i know that some companies use it. You could potentially cast that into a 3d printed or cheap machined aluminum mold. Basically you make a paste out of chopped fiber filler and some kind of special epoxy resin that you pour into a mold?
MopedFactory is pretty much shut down for the time being, i bought a lil' hobby farm and got my 3rd kid coming this summer so i'm pretty busy these days and don't have time for a side business that mostly just looses me money, haha.
seriously though, those scooter fans, just start up the engine and trim it to fit with an angle grinder and a flap wheel.
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> Blake MD No PM Plz Wrote:
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> We have hundreds of the 103, 108, and Fantic style fans.
posted at the same time, sweet!
Dos is BOSS!
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Yeah the fan part isn't the tricky part, plastics work fine
It's the other bits
But you need some sort of structure that exists in the curvature that exists between the screw hole locations, otherwise they will eventually throw themselves
I had a Carabela metal setup but the bike it was on was stolen.
Although I don't see an advantage to a metal fan, unless you want to increase your flywheel effect
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The metal fan is pure nostalgia. Its tactile- like a bound hardback book next to a stapled paperback.
When you look through those little intake vents and see that aluminum fan spinning it feels like a Henry Dreyfuss design.
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Just finished the rebuild, happy to have a CEV flywheel with same bolt holes pattern, the original Bosch did not. Now it will getting boxed up and sent to Turbo for a 3d scan!
Also, see ducati m101 thing for the fan setup inspiration.
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> Graham Motzing Wrote:
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> i just found out this morning that a guy who owes me a favor is now in
> charge of the faro arm here at work.... sooooooooo
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> me and a guy have been working on a custom set of E50 cases for like 6
> or 7 years but he did the measuring and modeling of the cases and i have
> found a few errors in his work so i kinda bailed on the project until i
> could find a good way to measure weird 3d geometry at high precision.
Did you see the guy that made a custom e50 case on Facebook? It's in the the stroke research and development group. Check it out if you haven't seen it.
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shit- just looked it up. That is some incredible backyard casting.
Truth be told my next goal would be to recreate that above dual variated ducati motor.
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