Jailing. Hobbit. PA50.

Stumbled on to one. It has head studs, 6 roller variator, head w decomp delete and NO starter shoes in design.

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And “stock” exhaust is larger

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No starter shoes? Does it use a one-way bearing then?

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Naw, it's one of the kickstart engines dos and others sell.

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Ah, I see. New ones are only $110 from Aliexpress, looks like it doesn't come with a clutch assembly or the actual kickstarter, just the pawl

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It has a clutch, just no starter clutch.

The kickstart assembly is on aliexpress as well. Bolts right on

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Here’s a pic of the clutch

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interesting

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The circled parts are starter shoes. The piece directly to the right of that should be the 3-shoe clutch.

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> Aaron Blair Wrote:

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> It has a clutch, just no starter clutch.

>

> The kickstart assembly is on aliexpress as well. Bolts right on

The pictures on AliExpress don't show any clutch bell/varistor on the engine, that's what I was referring to

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Gotcha.

Yup those are starter shoes.(edited)

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Whats inside the cases look like?

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I did not split the case

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i think he's showing the two sets of parts next to each other, regular hobbit vs. jailing, the bell with the shoes is regular hobbit? the bell to the right of it is the jailing bell.

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> Graham Motzing Wrote:

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> i think he's showing the two sets of parts next to each other, regular

> hobbit vs. jailing, the bell with the shoes is regular hobbit? the bell

> to the right of it is the jailing bell.

Correct

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Ia that the PA50I or II rusty stock pipe? looks so tiny

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> Chris . Wrote:

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> Ia that the PA50I or II rusty stock pipe? looks so tiny

Definitely a PA50I

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Rusty. PA50I. Jailing is the other

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Also cdi, and 60cc pretty cool bikes

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Crazy off topic idea but someone should attach a large aluminum plate to the back of a pa50 case, motobecane or pug and add a cvt with a sprocket like a homemade derbi motor :)

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> Rocco Taco Wrote:

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> Crazy off topic idea but someone should attach a large aluminum plate to

> the back of a pa50 case, motobecane or pug and add a cvt with a sprocket

> like a homemade derbi motor :)

So you're saying some should take a hobbit motor, than using plates bolt on a rear varistor and final drive so it's dual variated???

..... kind of like how hobbits came from the factory?

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I thinky means to make it a drop-in kinda deal. So you could have a

chain drive hobbit motor.

Would you still need a gear reduction? Ohh wait no you'd do that with the sprocket sizes...

Shit you could just your in a scooter rear variator and bearings...you could probably use pillow blocks...problem would be the spacing of the drive sprocket, you would need a jackshaft to be able to line it up with the wheel....or could it fit behind the variator....hmmm

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> Aaron Blair Wrote:

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> I thinky means to make it a drop-in kinda deal. So you could have a

>

> chain drive hobbit motor.

>

> Would you still need a gear reduction? Ohh wait no you'd do that with

> the sprocket sizes...

>

> Shit you could just your in a scooter rear variator and bearings...you

> could probably use pillow blocks...problem would be the spacing of the

> drive sprocket, you would need a jackshaft to be able to line it up

> with the wheel....or could it fit behind the variator....hmmm

Scooter rear clutch/pulley on hobbit.

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Can’t remember who or the name of the thread put someone has already done a “homemade derbi” from what I remember he just shortened the hobbit subframe and Put a sprocket on the wheel hub and made it chain drive with higher gearing.

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Yea I wound up with one of those motors at one point from a guy who bought it to motorswap a nonrunning hobbit but couldnt get the "parts not included" to swap from a PA1 and abandoned it to me. Pretty unimpressive but theres more meat on the cases for bigger kits like athena without having to add material. but beware it's also way easier to crack the mounts off or otherwise break the metal, tabs, stripping threads etc.

As for chain final drive, a few folks have done it. It's pretty easy - just search go-kart torque converter. it's basically what gokart folks call a variator, lotsa setups with final chain drive you can convert to work as a rear pulley and b good 2 go. Tom Suz HnRz did it years back, more recently tyler shearer dcons posted about it here: https://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?1,4189488

Thom's

Others like julian guns' "the internette" and a dude Roy from east PA did hung hobbit motors to a french final drive so the motor pivots like moby or pug.

It's got some advantages for sure -

1) better wheel selection w cheaper better wheels and brakes, easier to rear disk

2) hobbit subframes suck and replacements common but expensive. just have a normal rear frame and chain drive!

3) tunable final gear ratio! derbi style. though hobbits rip, it'd let you turn on high speed more or megafast holeshot

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> Born to be WillD Wrote:

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> Yea I wound up with one of those motors at one point from a guy who

> bought it to motorswap a nonrunning hobbit but couldnt get the "parts

> not included" to swap from a PA1 and abandoned it to me. Pretty

> unimpressive but theres more meat on the cases for bigger kits like

> athena without having to add material. but beware it's also way easier

> to crack the mounts off or otherwise break the metal, tabs, stripping

> threads etc.

>

> As for chain final drive, a few folks have done it. It's pretty easy -

> just search go-kart torque converter. it's basically what gokart folks

> call a variator, lotsa setups with final chain drive you can convert to

> work as a rear pulley and b good 2 go. Tom Suz HnRz did it years back,

> more recently tyler shearer dcons posted about it here:

> https://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?1,4189488

>

> Thom's

> http://garage.1977mopeds.com/assets/images/builds/14715/3d2d1cea99c498acf3948a5f61ba70ee.jpg

>

> Others like julian guns' "the internette" and a dude Roy from east PA

> did hung hobbit motors to a french final drive so the motor pivots like

> moby or pug.

>

> It's got some advantages for sure -

>

> 1) better wheel selection w cheaper better wheels and brakes, easier to

> rear disk

>

> 2) hobbit subframes suck and replacements common but expensive. just

> have a normal rear frame and chain drive!

>

> 3) tunable final gear ratio! derbi style. though hobbits rip, it'd let

> you turn on high speed more or megafast holeshot

Yea yea something like that photo but more compact and one unit. Where you can use it on a wide selection of bikes. Keep it small like a derbi motor or an e50 size.

Difficult part is finding a var with a sprocket. https://www.ebay.com/i/221558481260?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=221558481260&targetid=881488264994&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9001818&poi=&campaignid=2086088304&mkgroupid=94333157892&rlsatarget=pla-881488264994&abcId=1141016&merchantid=101687977&gclid=CjwKCAiAvonyBRB7EiwAadauqV8morIogRB2ILJbjaSr8g5FaO4fRBmDA4ZMxL_PPCo20Hzzw05_zhoCBTUQAvD_BwE

Thought about cuting one of these up but that’s a different thread! PCE. Seems to be a lot of interest in this idea, might start a thread later.

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Would the larger exhaust fit a reg Pa-II, if so would it help?

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> Stephen Keller Wrote:

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> Would the larger exhaust fit a reg Pa-II, if so would it help?

yeah, you used to be able to buy em off 77 and I think treats. it doesnt help really except to keep things cool if for some confused reason you wanted a stock exhaust on a kit. Like stock's too restrictive and keeps the heat in, much overheating. but that's dumb anyway, even the shitter lil jammy would be better.

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^ So, no advantage on a stock engine?

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probably some but very little. Vs the tiny PA1 exhausts sure, but those are restricted all the way thru the cylinder too

Also can't you just unplug the drain hole on the stock hobbit pans to get more flow anyway?

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