Budget vs. Expensive brands/models?

So I do not want to start any kind of conflict! (please read this again if your blood pressure rises).

What are considered the budget mopeds vs. better made/more expensive brands from the 1960's 70's and 80's.

I have little experience so I really dont know.

Ken

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Moped Lar (OFMC) /

Back in the day, Jawas were considered budget mopeds. They still are.

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Way to start a fight! Jeez!

Just kidding. Jawa & Trac are cheap-o junk.

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Tracs still rip doe

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Josiah Radebaugh /

Trac's are awesome bikes! Even with their crank cases being held together with Phillips screws, the lack of any vibration dampening and overall poor construction... The engine itself is Stupid reliable and rippy. With 35mph stock on a single speed with good acceleration, can you ask for more?

Anyway. French and Italian bikes are great. As long as you can sort our some electrical gremlins that you will with out doubt encounter.

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my Batavus' seemed to be well built- solid frames, did 32mph with me, or 25ish riding doubles. Really never game me issues once I got them running fine. Lack of performance parts seems to make them a poor option here, but for a stock bike they seemed pretty nice.

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> Josiah Radebaugh Wrote:

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> Trac's are awesome bikes! Even with their crank cases being held

> together with Phillips screws, the lack of any vibration dampening and

> overall poor construction... The engine itself is Stupid reliable and

> rippy. With 35mph stock on a single speed with good acceleration, can

> you ask for more?

>

> Anyway. French and Italian bikes are great. As long as you can sort our

> some electrical gremlins that you will with out doubt encounter.

Phillips screws are very common, fyi

All mopeds are affordable

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Tri-ped Dave O.D.B. /

Most manufacturers made an entry level (cheap) model and a deluxe. Moby7 vs VLX for example. Or Maxi N vs Magnum LTD

Or Garelli Basic vs Monza GT

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Terbo Speghetti /

If you're trying to buy something that's gonna be in better shape now because it was higher quality when it came out, you might wanna look at cars lol. Mopeds are, by their very nature, finicky and built to a budget. Even the good brands.

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Probably Fred /

> Josiah Radebaugh Wrote:

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> Trac's are awesome bikes! Even with their crank cases being held

> together with Phillips screws, the lack of any vibration dampening and

> overall poor construction... The engine itself is Stupid reliable and

> rippy. With 35mph stock on a single speed with good acceleration, can

> you ask for more?

>

> I had a mint track hawk/sprint top tank that ya pulled good to 35mph stock but at the time everything I had to go 55+ Mph So like a dummy so I sold it, (for cheep too)

A lot of the 50 mph roads out here back then were slowed down to 25 to 35 mph due to the dozens of housing developments being built so now at least some riding out here can be done with a 35-40 mph bike so should have kept it :(

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im probably wrong again but the most expensivist moped dollar for dollar is the....puch ad designed by porsche

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Anything top tank was higher end back then.

In the Puch engine world Murray bikes were the cheapest made. Puch made bikes the maxi n was lowest, followed by e50 maxi. then za50 maxi...Magnum were the most expensive we got imported

Derbis were always higher end too.

Lowest end in general would be tym's, kinetics and the Taiwan bikes( general, grycner, Clinton). Although they were cheapo the Taiwan bikes were pretty good quality wise.. kinetic had bad quality control but we're ok when sorted.

But yeah Puch motobecane piaggio Peugeot and derbi were high end.

Don't know where I would place them but the Italian bikes are great.

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Budget bikes have pressed frames with internal tanks, single seats, cheap shocks and painted fenders. Spoke wheels.

Expensive bikes are tube frames with external tanks, long seats, coiled shocks and chrome or better yet stainless steel fenders. Mag wheels.

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begs the question what was the cheapest major brand offering in say 1978

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well, fuck me for not heeding my own oft-offered advice - CHECK THE WIKI!

https://www.mopedarmy.com/wiki/Moped_Prices

looks like for the under $400 crowd you had gloria blanco & scout, Jawa, Angel and pacer:

a rigid free-spirit from sears, or a ciao

pretty inline with the "cheap (or no) suspension" and other details listed above.

Cheapest option though, for it's time, unsurprisingly is the honda express... doesnt get much more basic than that

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then the over 800 crowd you had the garelli VIP, the sebring,

and Magnum (MKII) at $950

that's it, at least for that list, which excludes the rare birds like TSM, Laguna, Mag LTD, Monza or Gran Prix, and has no data at all from some companies like derbi

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oh man i have the price sheet from Peugeot in 1980 in my junk somewhere. I think the TSM was 1099 if i'm remembering that right.

The guy told me each dealership only got one.

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> Graham Motzing Wrote:

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> oh man i have the price sheet from Peugeot in 1980 in my junk somewhere.

> I think the TSM was 1099 if i'm remembering that right.

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> The guy told me each dealership only got one.

Saw a nice looking TSM for sale yesterday...dude wants 1000$ like everything else in town :(

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I see derbi’s selling for $$$.

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Josiah Radebaugh /

How I want a TSM

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Post WW2 when motor assisted pedal bikes became a 'thing' in Europe as a means of transportation for many people while their countries rebuilt. Just about every province in every country had a moped "brand" where an iron works or bicycle related factory would offer a vehicle. These bikes would be assembled from a collection of manufactured frames, wheels, engines, accessories and auxiliaries, then the assembling company would brand them and sell them as their areas offering to affordably mobilize the population (often with the fanfare of buying local is the best, etc). The companies which were REALLY good at it became the brands which are recognized as the 'main stream' brands which people often debate on best vs worst.

People serving in Europe in the armed forces would often use their "perks" of being able to cargo things home inexpensively (or free sometimes) would bring home various souvenirs, occasionally it would be a moped. This was one of the methods where some of the rare bikes would end up in North America, the other being people emigrating would bring along their cycles to their new home 'overseas'.

Late 1950s-60s a few retail companies and importers saw the opportunity to bring some of the more 'main stream' cycles to North America, mostly as knock-down kits so they could save tariffs and market them as "final assembly in USA (or Canada)" and the popularity grew somewhat. The flooding of the market was however stemmed by the inexpensive offerings from Japan of motorcycles, the smaller motorcycles usually in direct competition price wise to the 50cc mopeds.

1970s came along with the greed generated 'oil crisis' and suddenly there was a surge of need for the lest thirsty mode of transportation: MOPEDS. All of a sudden they were on the fanatical side of trending, and the demand grew to the point where even the shadiest of importers could profit from importing cycles which were borderline junk and a mechanical failure within the first 100 miles (when the warranty would conveniently expire or be prorated to it was worthless). Some domestic manufacturers even set up methods to import subassemblies from various points around the globe and generate some USA branded cycles of lesser quality.

Getting into the mid 1980s the boon was done and the moped slid into decline and has slowly become the niche lifestyle which we are all enjoying.

SO - as far as 'cheap crap' mopeds are concerned, the value is in the eye of the beholder, admittedly there are some that became less desirable even while they were being sold to to poor quality or lousy aftermarket support. Some of these 'crappy' ones however are or will become an icon in their own right because they have become rare due to their crappiness. However not too many people (if any) will become millionaires rebuilding mopeds, in spite of some folks just trying to greed out and jack their prices as high as possible on eBay - Craigslist - Kijiji - or popular forums.

Pick your bikes based on what appeals to you if you are shopping for one, if the price seems high it likely is... If the deal seems good to you it likely is worth that much to you, or you would not be interested...

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Rebel Moby with information and sage-like wisdom.

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Im so glad rebel came back.

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Chris - Bedford Quarterkicks /

Outstanding post, Rebel.

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in the end i was nothing but a trendy ass poser

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Angry Hipster /

Well written

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Tri-ped Dave O.D.B. /

I have a veritable library of moped ads. I will dig some out and post the prices. I do know the Austrian Daimler had a $999 price tag because I kept the one from the AD I bought new back then. That was big money. Most were priced between $400-500

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i think the TFR might have been the all time cheapest at like 350 shipped to your door from walmart.com back in like 2007-2008, i feel like there was even some kind of discount scam you could hustle to get the thing shipped for like 270 all in.

there was a thread on here back then.

i'm curious about like the angel and kamasura and other terrible off brand bikes, how cheap were those things?

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> Born to be WillD Wrote:

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> in the end i was nothing but a trendy ass poser

wrong thread - that was in response to a SLC meme but i lot where. whatever

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> Aaron Blair Wrote:

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> ... Puch made

> bikes the maxi n was lowest...

Puch Dart: "hold my beer'

when i worked at a Puch dealer they sold for $499 (edited)

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