half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

dillon did a big troll no no. he told me to stop with the techno babble jargon. it's so important to know the jargon because you can't order ready made parts without knowing them. I mean anyone can go on a crap site like oregon sprack superbright they can spoon feed you. but this costs $'s. dillon did the ma wrong. if you understand the terms and what it means you can order parts yourself. expect this post to get plenty of spam it will piss people off.

this conversion assumes you just bought an old puch maxi for about 350$ and its ready for restoration. you have already changed the points and got the bike running. now its time to fix the lights.

techno babble jargon in this post, full wave rec/reg, half wave rec/reg. yup, two terms to learn.

full wave rec/reg: means the stator is not grounded. full power. you have stator wires connected to each other but not grounded to the frame. this rec/reg will blow up if the stator is grounded half wave.

half wave rec/reg: means the one end of the stator is grounded. this is the case in the puch maxi. its the smaller coil with the grey and a yellow wire. both are grounded to the frame. the stator output will be grey + yellow devided by 2. 1/2 the power is wasted. half power is plenty today. even if you switch to 12v from 6v. why? leds use much less juice. another plus is you can run without a battery with leds. why you need to know the jargon is this is not a common part. the techno babble are the kewords needed to buy this part dillon.

this part comes in four flavors, full wave and half wave. 6v and 12v. the puch is half wave. so the key words to ordering the correct modern part would be: 12v half wave rectifier regulator. I would not run a battery. I use a 63v 22,000uf cap. I'm not a battery tender kind of guy. wires in just like a battery. cheap and light. because we are at 1/2 power we need to reduce the load. swap the bulbs to led to finish the conversion.

Dillon says no cockail napkin diagram. who would not like this diagram. more troll nonsense. this diagram is for puch but there are so many others wired this way. looks like two switches with a battery but I use a two pole toggle switch so it is just one toggle switch. I usually mount it under the seat where I can easily throw the switch when I'm riding. hidden kill doubles as a security device. you need to swap out the bulbs to led but because you have regulated and rectified you now can use chepo cob led's. I have no problem with anyone who silicon glues the 800lm 1.40$ ebay h4 led bulb to the puch headlight.

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Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

Dirty30 Dillon /

The difference between half- and full-wave rectification, and the pin out for the GY6 Reg/Rec's is not El Pollo secret knoweldge, nor is it the techno-babble I was commenting on.

Here is some MA info from the Wiki:

https://www.mopedarmy.com/wiki/NU50M_Full_Wave_Rectifer

https://www.mopedarmy.com/wiki/Moped_charging_systems_written_by_Peter_Heid

Your horrible attitude aside, this post was better than your others. Keep on trying to turn me into the troll, seems like being disgruntled is your preferred state.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

♣Slew Foot♣ /

I can jump start a car with the slumberger USB 1315 model it has 400 cranking amps and 800 Peak amps I can recharge my cell phone and run all the electrics on the bike and then take it off and put it in my pocket and just charge it in the house or you could charge it with a USB port even when it's in full use it'll take like 10% of the battery to run something for like an hour

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

Can you post any link to the 63v 22,000uf cap. I cant find any.

> el pollo Wrote:

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> dillon did a big troll no no. he told me to stop with the techno babble

> jargon. it's so important to know the jargon because you can't order

> ready made parts without knowing them. I mean anyone can go on a crap

> site like oregon sprack superbright they can spoon feed you. but this

> costs $'s. dillon did the ma wrong. if you understand the terms and what

> it means you can order parts yourself. expect this post to get plenty of

> spam it will piss people off.

>

> this conversion assumes you just bought an old puch maxi for about 350$

> and its ready for restoration. you have already changed the points and

> got the bike running. now its time to fix the lights.

>

> techno babble jargon in this post, full wave rec/reg, half wave rec/reg.

> yup, two terms to learn.

>

> full wave rec/reg: means the stator is not grounded. full power. you

> have stator wires connected to each other but not grounded to the frame.

> this rec/reg will blow up if the stator is grounded half wave.

>

> half wave rec/reg: means the one end of the stator is grounded. this is

> the case in the puch maxi. its the smaller coil with the grey and a

> yellow wire. both are grounded to the frame. the stator output will be

> grey + yellow devided by 2. 1/2 the power is wasted. half power is

> plenty today. even if you switch to 12v from 6v. why? leds use much less

> juice. another plus is you can run without a battery with leds. why you

> need to know the jargon is this is not a common part. the techno babble

> are the kewords needed to buy this part dillon.

>

> this part comes in four flavors, full wave and half wave. 6v and 12v.

> the puch is half wave. so the key words to ordering the correct modern

> part would be: 12v half wave rectifier regulator. I would not run a

> battery. I use a 63v 22,000uf cap. I'm not a battery tender kind of guy.

> wires in just like a battery. cheap and light. because we are at 1/2

> power we need to reduce the load. swap the bulbs to led to finish the

> conversion.

>

> https://i.postimg.cc/RZhRkpTL/817u69-POd-BL-SL1500-1.jpg

>

> Dillon says no cockail napkin diagram. who would not like this diagram.

> more troll nonsense. this diagram is for puch but there are so many

> others wired this way. looks like two switches with a battery but I use

> a two pole toggle switch so it is just one toggle switch. I usually

> mount it under the seat where I can easily throw the switch when I'm

> riding. hidden kill doubles as a security device. you need to swap out

> the bulbs to led but because you have regulated and rectified you now

> can use chepo cob led's. I have no problem with anyone who silicon glues

> the 800lm 1.40$ ebay h4 led bulb to the puch headlight.

>

> https://i.postimg.cc/nhd90Mtd/IMG-20191116-103048.jpg

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> Rica Rivera Wrote:

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> Can you post any link to the 63v 22,000uf cap. I cant find any.

>

About 15 seconds worth of searching .

You're not looking very hard . Take your pick :

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=22000 uf 63v (edited)

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

The NU50 and NU50M alternators have a single tapped non-ignition-related coil, which provides two outputs: a 17V (white wire) output which goes to the half-wave rectifier, and a 12V output (yellow wire) which is not rectified as is used to power the headlamp.

The max current provided by the half wave regulator is pretty low. Not enough to reliably power LED headlamps. This writeup is about replacing the stock rectifier/regulator with a full wave, higher amp, replacement. Full wave regulators for 150cc Gy6 scooters are available on eBay for about 10$.

dillon is confusing because he posted full wave. it'a dated and you cant float a stator. 1/2 wave means the stator is grounded and you will need a 1/2 wave rectifier/regulator. with this part no complicated stator repair needed, just order the right part. 1/2 wave regulators are available on ebay for puch for about 10$.

here he is loading on the techno babble, but for him it remains techno babble. all he does is defelct and talk crap. he never reads and corrects my posts. he says he knows 1/2 wave vs full wave. lets tear into his troll post. the first link is a full wave solution. not 1/2 wave. that gy6 r/r will blow up if wired to a half wave stator. it is well written but dated. you only need full power if you convert to lc and run an electric external water punp or some high power device. it requires removing the flywheel and stator plate, cutting into the stator an running a new wire out of the engine. with this setup you use yellow and the new wire with grey not connected. nice to know but its not half wave nor is it floating anything. if you read my post you would know its a change frome 1/2 wave to full wave. why do stator conversions when you can just order the 1/2 wave part and change the bulbs? dillon posted a complicated fix, I posted a simple one. look how simple my first diagram with the cap. we are talking 6 to 12 conversion and bright turn signals at idle no battery.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

Dirty30 Dillon /

Regurgitating factory wiring and numbers does t really prove anything. I am merely saying that you elaborating on half/full wave rectification is not new knowledge.

As a note, going full wave on a Puch stator doesn't require cutting or modifying the stator plate. You would know that, but you don't actually have any moped experience. So you're just pushing generic knowledge in an attempt to grab a pat on the back?

Who knows. I'm not sure why you've got such a hard-on for me, but keep it up man. I'm sure someone will benefit from your rants.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

Dillon is a troll, learn the techno babble, he won't. its easy 1/2 wave stator is grounded. order a half wave r/r with a grounded stator. not only does he not read my posts I don't know if he even reads his own. where did I tell anyone anywhere to mod the stator plate. if he'd read his own link there is a detailed instructions. its a 16 step process if you even read it.

follow my post and you can do leds and skip the 16 steps. learn to order and use generic parts. its easy.

I actually did fuck up and nobody caught it. gonna get weird harmonics with the grey wire because it's a tap. just use the yellow wire. the stator output will still be yellow + grey. I can't go back and edit on this site so my sincere apologies. (edited)

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Dirty30 Dillon /

> el pollo Wrote:

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> where did I tell anyone anywhere to mod the stator plate.

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You state converting a Puch to full wave requires cutting into your stator. It does not. Again, I am merely correcting you.

As a side note, for someone who likes to comment on reading/writing skills:

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Keep trucking, my dude.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

what the fuck is wrong with you Dillon. who cares about a stupid spelling mistake. you need to remove the stator plate to do a good job soldering shrink wrapping and running a new wire out the stator. Dillon did not read steps 2 and 3 in his link. do you really think I have not done both conversions. you need to unground the stator to make it full wave for the gy6 r/r.

you really are screwing the ma with your stupid trolling. don't listen to Dillon. learn to order generic parts and do your whole lighting system for less than 20$. (edited)

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

Dirty30 Dillon /

> el pollo Wrote:

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> what the fuck is wrong with you Dillon. who cares about a stupid

> spelling mistake. you need to remove the stator plate to do a good job

> soldering shrink wrapping and running a new wire out the stator. Dillon

> did not read steps 2 and 3 in his link. do you really think I have not

> done both conversions. you need to unground the stator to make it full

> wave for the gy6 r/r.

>

> you really are screwing the ma with your stupid trolling. don't listen

> to Dillon. learn to order generic parts and do your whole lighting

> system for less than 20$.

The folks on this website were putting together cheap, effective ignitions before you showed up, and will continue to do so after you're gone. You talk down to everyone who comments on these threads, as if we had never heard of regulating/rectifying or running capacitors to eliminate batteries.

And I know for a fact you have never installed a Half of Full wave rectifier on a moped. Why is your ego and drive to prove yourself so inflated, inside of a community that you have no stake in?

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

why do you troll and screw things up for everyone. we are talking lighting not ignition. the puch lighting stator is exactly the same as kdx offroad. one stator two wires with a center tap. I ran that one 1/2 wave.

deflect all you want people see what kind of troll you are. what does my ego have to do with your trolling. I do not need to prove myself. once the first person actually tries this puch mod you will be a proven troll.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

Dirty30 Dillon /

> el pollo Wrote:

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> once the first person actually tries this puch mod you will be a proven

> troll.

This mod has been done by many people, myself included. On multiple bikes.

It works... you just didn't come up with it.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

whats you point so have I. but I'm posting a solution that requires no stator mods. don't you even read? troll.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

haha

i'm not actually sure if this would work or not but the yellow and grey coils are separate and not a dual tapped. I never tried wiring one up like this before.

I think you also need to get the yellow to a ground in parellel for these to work, that is always how i have wired them, the yellow wire gets regulated 12 in parellel whereas the green wire in these systems provides the 12v dc

dr atv says you can wire them up to work either/or but in my experience they only work when you wire them up to a dual tapped coil, there are definitely a few of them that all look identical but wire differently.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

Dirty30 Dillon /

> el pollo Wrote:

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> whats you point so have I. but I'm posting a solution that requires no

> stator mods. don't you even read? troll.

My point is that this knowledge isn't El Trollo proprietary. I have converted many a moped as such without modifying stators or indiviudal coils.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

> Graham Motzing Wrote:

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> haha

>

> i'm not actually sure if this would work or not but the yellow and grey

> coils are separate and not a dual tapped. I never tried wiring one up

> like this before.

>

> I think you also need to get the yellow to a ground in parellel for

> these to work, that is always how i have wired them, the yellow wire

> gets regulated 12 in parellel whereas the green wire in these systems

> provides the 12v dc

>

> dr atv says you can wire them up to work either/or but in my experience

> they only work when you wire them up to a dual tapped coil, there are

> definitely a few of them that all look identical but wire differently.

actually went to the puch manual to figure it out. the manual says the grey is a tap.

its the ignition side that has different coils. it has been my experience if you try to rectify taps you get problems. only running the yellow is a common theme in all the conversion threads. no one seems to use the tap.

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> el pollo Wrote:

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> actually went to the puch manual to figure it out. the manual says the

> grey is a tap.

i've actually worked on these mopeds before so i can tell you that is wrong

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

can any one else confirm that the grey wire is not a tap. I did not know that there was a mistake in the manual. I think the wiring diagram pretty clear.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

yeah if you actually did any of this stuff rather than just copy pasting shit you find on the internet, you'd know that.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

not sure if you are another troll. I don't even know if you know what center taped is. can anyone else confirm that the puch manual has a mistake and that the puch has two separate lighting coils.

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DrGeorgeTompson (Alan) /

im here for the taping

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Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

I'm just here to see who has the bigger dick.

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> Grateful Nate Wrote:

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> I'm just here to see who is the bigger dick.

fixed. ;)

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Dirty30 Dillon /

> Grateful Nate Wrote:

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> I'm just here to see who has the bigger dick.

Mine is only half-wave :/

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Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

Dillon is a troll asshole. you really are screwing the ma with your stupid trolling. don't listen to Dillon. learn to order generic parts and do your whole lighting system for less than 20$.

deflection with lies and bullshit but never questions answered. go back and read what he wrote. all bullshit.

graham motzing is another troll. do you even know what a center tap is. the manual says this it how it is wired and no one on the ma chimed in to say there is a mistake in the manual.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

Dirty30 Dillon /

The grey wire is not a center tap. I will confirm Graham's statements.

And no, Graham is not a troll.

Re: half wave 12v rectifier regulator solution for puch and others

el pollo /
1369 OP

what the fuck is dual tapped graham. I'm not sure you know what a tap means. The NU50 and NU50M alternators have a single tapped non-ignition-related coil, which provides two outputs: a 17V (white wire) output which goes to the half-wave rectifier, and a 12V output (yellow wire) which is not rectified as is used to power the headlamp.

puch is different?

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