Re: A Challenger Approaches - another e-ped enters the ring

Rand Jacobson /

> Don Ohio Wrote:

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> You young-uns need to remember that gasoline,diesel, COAL, wood,

> underpinned the machine age which BUILT this country and all the other

> progressive nations.

>

> We have great storehouses of these energy sources and they will NOT be

> be going away anytime soon .

>

> Electric might have its day a few decades from now, but now it is

> is just window-dressing for all the misinformed millennials that are

> scared out of their wits be cause of liberal lies fed from all the

> media. THINK about it............

Slavery built this country too but that doesn't make it okay. Most of those fuel sources you named are primarily used in one form of another to generate electricity. That's being replaced too with alternative sources. Why do you think coal miners are out of their jobs? Keep hiding your head in the sand. There is no future where fossil fuels continue to power this world.

Re: A Challenger Approaches - another e-ped enters the ring

> Rand Jacobson Wrote:

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> > Don Ohio Wrote:

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> > You young-uns need to remember that gasoline,diesel, COAL, wood,

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> > underpinned the machine age which BUILT this country and all the other

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> > progressive nations.

>

> >

>

> > We have great storehouses of these energy sources and they will NOT be

>

> > be going away anytime soon .

>

> >

>

> > Electric might have its day a few decades from now, but now it is

>

> > is just window-dressing for all the misinformed millennials that are

>

> > scared out of their wits be cause of liberal lies fed from all the

>

> > media. THINK about it............

>

> Slavery built this country too but that doesn't make it okay. Most of

> those fuel sources you named are primarily used in one form of another

> to generate electricity. That's being replaced too with alternative

> sources. Why do you think coal miners are out of their jobs? Keep

> hiding your head in the sand. There is no future where fossil fuels

> continue to power this world.

Like Ken said, you curtail coal,diesel natural gas,etc. , and China and all the other countries just keep it up.

These energy sources will still be used for many decades to come.

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> Don Ohio Wrote:

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> You young-uns need to remember that gasoline,diesel, COAL, wood,

> underpinned the machine age which BUILT this country and all the other

> progressive nations.

>

> We have great storehouses of these energy sources and they will NOT be

> be going away anytime soon .

>

> Electric might have its day a few decades from now, but now it is

> is just window-dressing for all the misinformed millennials that are

> scared out of their wits be cause of liberal lies fed from all the

> media. THINK about it............

Yes those fuels built the country, and yes they will be slow to fade, but you can't live in the past forever, I know, I've tried...lol's at self, but really, why write off something new, it took forever to get ic to be efficient, why don't you just ride a horse, they made the first farms etc?

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> Don Ohio Wrote:

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> other

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> > > progressive nations.

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> > > We have great storehouses of these energy sources and they will NOT

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> > > Electric might have its day a few decades from now, but now it is

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> > > is just window-dressing for all the misinformed millennials that are

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> > > scared out of their wits be cause of liberal lies fed from all the

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> > > media. THINK about it............

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> > Slavery built this country too but that doesn't make it okay. Most of

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> > those fuel sources you named are primarily used in one form of another

>

> > to generate electricity. That's being replaced too with alternative

>

> > sources. Why do you think coal miners are out of their jobs? Keep

>

> > hiding your head in the sand. There is no future where fossil fuels

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> > continue to power this world.

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> Like Ken said, you curtail coal,diesel natural gas,etc. , and China and

> all the other countries just keep it up.

>

> These energy sources will still be used for many decades to come.

This is true, but change has to start somewhere, and once it is proven to be better and it will be other nations will adopt it, we are fortunate enough to have the capitol to invest in new better things, with wealth comes responsibility, to remain in a leadership position requires forward thinking, not living in the '50's just because it was awesome then, it was awesome because all that stuff you mentioned was cutting edge back then, if you keep your head in the sand your edge grows dull.

Re: A Challenger Approaches - another e-ped enters the ring

You're falling into the Socialist trap, Stephen(killing good jobs and making you dependent on them). A little here,and a little there and they'll have you ready to sign up for State welfare.....LOL!

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Not while I can still work, you misunderstand this change over takes decades, it is not an overnight thing, when one job ends others are created, not moving forward causes nothing but a slow inevitable decline. I HATE change, new things etc (get out of my yard kid) I get it, I really do, but it must and will happen, you can be miserable about it, or at least be open to learning about it, and take into your life what of it may be of benefit to you, 'cuz you know, the kids say this internet thing might really take off someday...

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You might be the only one that thinks it'll take place over the long run I've heard. They would kill it now. That will ruin the US economy which is going `great guns' (pun intended,LOL) right now.

Remember Hillary and Obomber gonna KILL coal? Didn't do Hillary any good,did it?

It's all about jobs NOW, not twenty years down the road.

Re: A Challenger Approaches - another e-ped enters the ring

If you all don't shut the funk up and start talkimg about mopeds, I'm gonna banish this topic to OT.

Mopeds here, Politics OT.

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You can't just "turn off" an industry like coal, or petroleum, but they can and must be modified for improvements, and I believe jobs 20 yrs from now are every bit as important as jobs right now, to remain a world leader we MUST embrace change, and improvements, politicians say things like "kill coal" to incite people into action, any sane person knows that means that it is a dying system, lets move forward, not you are all fired today. Most politicians are far from sane :) . They are spin doctors, for better or worse the almighty dollar runs this country, always has, always will, when there is money to be made, industry's and yes many people whole ways of life change, being in Ohio you are closer to the coal industry, whereas in MN we have the iron range, the taconite mines, they closed up due to a change in demand, and it was awful for many, but that is just life, the people affected the most were people who believed that nothing would change, "the mine will always be there" well guess what? That head in the sand thinking sets you up for disappointment, maybe not today, but in a few generations. Change is happening at (what seems to my old self anyway) at an alarming rate, but to the young it is just business as usual, you can't count on very much to remain the same these days, we can't all farm or be undertakers. Failure to embrace change has consequences, at the worst you could be out of a job at best you will just be pissed off all the time, life is too short for either in my humble opinion. I would love to have tech at about the '97 level, I "got" everything right about then, but to assume the world stops just because you happen to be comfortable at a certain point is foolish.(edited)

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> Charlie BUZZARD Wrote:

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> If you all don't shut the funk up and start talkimg about mopeds, I'm

> gonna banish this topic to OT.

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> Mopeds here, Politics OT.

Lol, I was ranting about change...which an electric moped sure would be, I want an electric moped, specifically the one I posted a picture of, did you check that thing out?

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Okay,Charlie! Let's see................gasoline peds run all day. You can hear em coming. Energy and cost is NO problem. They are kittable,modifiable, and return pride in riding.

Electrics, recharge time limits yer fun and yer progress thru the ride. Nothing to be proud of. Can't hear em coming until the damage is done.

Environmental insults galore if made in India, China,Taiwan.

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Maitland - I'm not saying that ebikes are not a good idea. Ideally, to have the maximum impact, they need to start replacing worse options (personal automobiles) rather than just being another toy in the garage. Hopefully that is what the future will be Otherwise, it's just more stuff on the planet that takes resources and environmental impact.

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Hopefully every 20 yrs or so, the average time from ambulatory houseplant to sentience for a human, people will see personal vehicle ownership in population centers, as less and less necessary, already many young people have little interest in cars/driving, but this will take lots of time, and in this vast country, public transportation is not practical, I know people who drive a half hour each way just to a good grocery store or Wal-Mart/Target, no bus service, no trains, what are they to do? I have commuted on 2 wheels for much of my working life, not to be green but because I enjoy riding, but we do not all live in sunny So-Cal, there is this winter thing where no 2 wheeler makes sense, I have used the bus service, purposely got a place on a bus line, but my current job would only allow me to go in to work, service stops before my shift ends, so I drive, a small fuel efficient car vs my big tank or my truck, if I did not car-pool my boss home I would go from using aprox 2 gallons of fuel a week to using 1 gallon a month on my moped, but again, winter? The trick to being green is not hybrid tech or electric bikes, though all have a place, but to waste less, buy local, buy used vs new all the time, our mopeds are 40 odd yrs old but still in use, how many 40 yo cars are still used? The poorest among us live like kings compared to prob half the world, "know" this, conserve, think, turn off lights, conserve water, walk or bike vs driving, moped, when it is feasible, we are spoiled in the United States, being born here is an accident of geography, embrace it, don't waste it. I do these things, partially because I'm not wealthy, and partially because I see so much thrown away, that is perfectly serviceable, for every un-repaired anything a new one must be produced, and the old one has to go somewhere. If we don't shape up as a species, the planet will deal with us, as it has so many others, going more sustainable is not going to save the earth, it will save us, from ourselves.

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no groms no blasters /

delete this thread

Re: A Challenger Approaches - another e-ped enters the ring

Quote Stephen: ` If we don't shape up as a species, the planet will deal with us, as it has so many others, going more sustainable is not going to save the earth, it will save us, from ourselves.'

The planet will not have time to ever get that bad. The change is coming from above.

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^^hahahaha^^^

you go on and keep waiting for the wonderful wizard of oz to fix our problems.

were all headed towards extinction. its a natural and inevitable process most beings have faced extinction. hundreds of species go extinct everyday. just come to grips with it an enjoy the ride.

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> Alex hernandez Wrote:

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> ^^hahahaha^^^

>

> you go on and keep waiting for the wonderful wizard of oz to fix our

> problems.

>

> were all headed towards extinction. its a natural and inevitable process

> most beings have faced extinction. hundreds of species go extinct

> everyday. just come to grips with it an enjoy the ride.

The greatest liar that ever lived has convinced you of that,so don't feel too bad when you find you're mistaken...………….of course by then it might be too late.

Read Rev. chapter 11 where the ones ruining the Earth are brought to ruin themselves. Prophecy at its finest.

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Brad William /

Reality will soon enough reform our habits. Pressing reality to fit our selfish habits will just get more evidently quixotic as the rest of the planet demands the same selfish lifestyle.

We keep echoing here the desire to keep up with the automobiles. The grocery store bound housewife in the absurdly overqualified Yukon. The equally overqualified 400 hp, 4wd, f350 dude, alone, on his way to get a goddam cheeseburger.

Every discussion I come across on transportation and the environment seems to gloss right on over this present "reality" as if it's an immutable state. But it's a habit of mind more than any necessary condition for travel. This is especially true for a discussion here at MA.

No, I am absolutely NOT for restricting the freedom of anyone who desires the Yukon and the road space and consideration to go where they want whenever they want. But 98 percent of us here short hop on mopeds/scooters. I'd argue as well that 98 percent of the time we're in no great hurry to arrive anywhere.

I've tried for years to generate some interest in a hybrid that inexplicably fails to interest anyone. A bicycle that shares all of the lanes, parkways, pathways, speeds, and habits of other bicycles, with a high efficiency, quiet, clean 25 to 50cc Honda motor geared not to exceed the pace of other bicycles, capable of comfortably covering greater distances than bicycles generally, yet capable of being bicycled 100 percent free of the motor's transmission when desired.

The idea is by now passe. Ebikes are filling that niche almost exactly as described. Yet in discussions like this we still go on about keeping up with the "cagers".

When I inherited my ZA50 Newport ten years ago it maxed out at 25mph. Avg speed was more like 20 to 22 mph. I had to share the bike lanes. Occasionally a fast bicycle would pass me! Oddly enough I never felt as lacking or as vulnerable then as I do now that my peds go 30 to 35 and it's no longer reasonable to threaten the bikes in the bike lane, and I more often have to swim with the Yukons and cheeseburger eating dude in the F350.

For a couple of centuries now bicycles have offered us a pretty wise mode if travel for most of our needs (climate permitting of course).

So why keep on about adapting our peds to the automobiles conditions, and not the eminently more reasonable bicycles? Are you really in that big a hurry?(edited)

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LOOK.

Please talk about mopeds in the general forum. If a topic stikes your political fancy, make a thread in OT and take it there please.

OR IM TURNING THIS BUS AROUND AND WERE ALL GOING TO OFF TOPIC. I SWAY FOE GAWD, Y'ALL!!

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Brad William /

...but I want to answer my own question here first.

..blinks,

...stammers,

..... "because this one goes to eleven"

Re: A Challenger Approaches - another e-ped enters the ring

> Brad William Wrote:

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> Reality will soon enough reform our habits. Pressing reality to fit our

> selfish habits will just get more evidently quixotic as the rest of the

> planet demands the same selfish lifestyle.

>

> We keep echoing here the desire to keep up with the automobiles. The

> grocery store bound housewife in the absurdly overqualified Yukon. The

> equally overqualified 400 hp, 4wd, f350 dude, alone, on his way to get

> a goddam cheeseburger.

>

> Every discussion I come across on transportation and the environment

> seems to gloss right on over this present "reality" as if it's an

> immutable state. But it's a habit of mind more than any necessary

> condition for travel. This is especially true for a discussion here at

> MA.

>

> No, I am absolutely NOT for restricting the freedom of anyone who

> desires the Yukon and the road space and consideration to go where they

> want whenever they want. But 98 percent of us here short hop on

> mopeds/scooters. I'd argue as well that 98 percent of the time we're in

> no great hurry to arrive anywhere.

>

> I've tried for years to generate some interest in a hybrid that

> inexplicably fails to interest anyone. A bicycle that shares all of the

> lanes, parkways, pathways, speeds, and habits of other bicycles, with a

> high efficiency, quiet, clean 25 to 50cc Honda motor geared not to

> exceed the pace of other bicycles, capable of comfortably covering

> greater distances than bicycles generally, yet capable of being bicycled

> 100 percent free of the motor's transmission when desired.

>

> The idea is by now passe. Ebikes are filling that niche almost exactly

> as described. Yet in discussions like this we still go on about keeping

> up with the "cagers".

>

> When I inherited my ZA50 Newport ten years ago it maxed out at 25mph.

> Avg speed was more like 20 to 22 mph. I had to share the bike lanes.

> Occasionally a fast bicycle would pass me! Oddly enough I never felt as

> lacking or as vulnerable then as I do now that my peds go 30 to 35 and

> it's no longer reasonable to threaten the bikes in the bike lane, and I

> more often have to swim with the Yukons and cheeseburger eating dude in

> the F350.

>

> For a couple of centuries now bicycles have offered us a pretty wise

> mode if travel for most of our needs (climate permitting of course).

>

> So why keep on about adapting our peds to the automobiles conditions,

> and not the eminently more reasonable bicycles? Are you really in that

> big a hurry?

Not everyone has the luxury of bike lanes/or an extensive trail system, if forced into the street your bike has to keep up, or you will be a road rage target at best, or road pizza at worst. In MN for example you are not allowed on a bike trail with anything with an engine, but an electric bicycle is ok? 20 mph is 20 mph....odd. Mopeds have always just been more comfortable easier to ride bicycles, not weak motorcycles.(edited)

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Brad William /

But yeah, I'm in. An ebike satisfies my itch. In principal it's what I've been going on about anyway with the pedalable/motorable hybrid. But if I had before me today two equally capable true mopeds, electric or gasoline, I'd still opt gas. In 2019 it's just more practical. All the maintenance, tuning, smelly, unpredictable demerits considered, it's still only a cup full of borrowed weed trimmer fuel to get you home again. That will change, and probably very soon. Electric weed trimmers are overtaking gas ones in sales. But for present it's still reality.

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Brad William /

It's tough to stay on topic with this. Any aspect of it is going to invite comments on viability, practicality, etc. That's a tiny step away from "off topic".

I think "cordless" is being over hyped and oversold to consumers right now. I work at a big box store and it's painfully amusing how may customers absolutely have to own the latest cordless tools. Im the salesperson. I own lots and lots ( and lots) of tools. But the only one I prefer to be cordless is my drill.

I'm not a contractor. I do not make my living with my tools. For contractors, by all means, the best cordless tools are necessity. For most homeowners they are a really stupid waste of money. With the cost of battery replacements and the six year cycle of battery/charger technical obsolescence (and backward compatibility at the whim of the manufacturer) most homeowners are getting raped. They can do 99 percent of the same work with an extension cord, and a corded tool that will never be obsolete as long as 120vac is available in your home. You'll hand a perfectly good tool off to your kids instead of landfilling it. I still regularly use my inherited 25 year old Milwaukee sawzall and my even older craftsman miter saw.

For the contractor, this steep expense, and disposable tooling, is a write off. For the homeowner, it's mostly idiocy and keeping up with your neighbors idiocy. And it's hyped hyped hyped by the major brands as total necessity.

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jesus man, cordless drill batteries? this is off topic from the original off topic!

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God damnit. I liked when we were just talking about electric mopeds and not why a buncha luddites can't handle changes.

I wanna see these new e-bikes coming out in the moped scape! Even if I'm not gonna get one, I wanna know about em, see em, this is relevant and interesting to mopeds. Off topic the parts about electric is just as bad (its not) or anti environmentalism or defeatist we can't fix the world bs. Oh, I made my soup too salty so i might as well just keep adding salt. OT.

But new electric mopeds are something many of us are at least interested in and def on topic, doesnt need a new forum, it's really easy to ignore the e threads if you're so scared bout it

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Literally the only thing they’re afraid of is new ideas. Doesn’t matter what it is, even if it will obviously benefit them and everyone they know. Being brainwashed and thanking your oppressors for doing such a good job is a real thing.

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Benjamin The Wandering Pacer /

Heres another two coming out. Looks like they were based on the Oynx CTY bike. I know the Bird one is by the same guy who helped start Oynx which is probably why it looks similar.

Juiced Scorpion

https://electrek.co/2019/09/24/we-rode-the-juiced-scorpion-retro-moped-ebike-now-available-for-1299-pre-order/

Bird Cruiser

https://www.bird.co/press/introducing-bird-cruiser-new-seated-electric-vehicle-from-bird/

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Overpriced Parts /

> Daniel '' Wrote:

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> Literally the only thing they’re afraid of is new ideas. Doesn’t matter

> what it is, even if it will obviously benefit them and everyone they

> know. Being brainwashed and thanking your oppressors for doing such a

> good job is a real thing.

Energy cannot be made from nothin It can only be exchanged from one form to another,

It’s same thing with being green!

In one area of the world being green means other areas are being polluting Beyond belief!

When comes to China, India, Madagascar, Russia etc, and in the other areas of the world everywhere but USA,

Really to be honest with you, I’m not just saying this to be patriotic (but I am to some extent) but USA if it was a model for every country including Africa, 2 decades or so ago, but not so much now and everybody followed the model it it would be paradise!

No one the the house is passing any legislation of any good since they lost election and went nuts, that means much because would be successful if they did make legislation that helped out but they don’t and they won’t!

Our country is suffering because of their butt hurt, (not to say I like trump I don’t because he bankrupted a company I worked for and cost me $550)

Too many people nowadays think with feelings like a teenage girl instead of facts!

I got maybe a couple decades to be on this planet but knuckleheads who want to do nothing but destroy the world with green, most polluting ever, rare earth battery bullpucky crap, mass transportation whatever, while China is infiltrating all our natural energy resources and buying up everything Energy in our country so they could shut everything off whenever they want to,

China dictators don’t give a crap about killing people (they killed 800million people in WWII just to slow the advance of Japan by flooding an area where they all lived)

I really wish all these young folks will go through the history books maybe someone change their mind,

Maybe none would change but go to through the history books not the stupid Internet some maybe one young folk would learn somethin!

I do like deep cycle batteries for my trolling motor so when I go to a place that only has rowboats I bring my battery and trolling motor and go for a couple hours without rowing but that’s about it,

And every few years when the power goes out for a couple hours I connect my 300 W ac inverter and run a few things in my house that’s always good!

But for how polluting is to make car, house batteries, charge batteries and recycle batteries I wish every green engineer would go Away because they have no common sense,

The world war two submarine battery technology is gone you nut case engineers,

Nothing could bring it back,

So many are are dumb as a box of rocks if you think batteries are going to save the planet,

Only thing that can save the planet is to get rid of factory farming that feeds factory people farms which are cities!

Get rid of large Government controlled cities and you get rid of factory farming.

Spread everybody out in it in the even amount and don’t provide for alcoholic/drug addicts that shit on the streets and most will are better off,

Don’t trust any country that produces propaganda against USA, if you do or will you should live in those countries, In those countries they throw LGBTQ people off of buildings and cut woman's Libya off,

Grow a set of balls if you live in the USA otherwise go somewhere else and take it up the......

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> Benjamin The Wandering Pacer Wrote:

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> Heres another two coming out. Looks like they were based on the Oynx CTY

> bike. I know the Bird one is by the same guy who helped start Oynx which

> is probably why it looks similar.

>

> Juiced Scorpion

>

> https://electrek.co/2019/09/24/we-rode-the-juiced-scorpion-retro-moped-ebike-now-available-for-1299-pre-order/

>

> Bird Cruiser

>

> https://www.bird.co/press/introducing-bird-cruiser-new-seated-electric-vehicle-from-bird/

Just read about the juiced one today, pretty slick!

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> Don Ohio Wrote:

> Like Ken said, you curtail coal,diesel natural gas,etc. , and China and

> all the other countries just keep it up.

>

> These energy sources will still be used for many decades to come.

And when the automobile became mainstream in America, less developed countries still primarily used horses for local transportation.Doesn't mean the automobile wasn't the best way forward.

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