Can we mass produce mopeds again?

Pete Daddeo *YouTube: Moped Problems* /
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It should be done. We're gonna try.

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where are the pedals?

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Nice NOpeds

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> ken gilbert Wrote:

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> where are the pedals?

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The pedals propel the bike, but do not start it as there are no starter clutches. They have a pretty nice kicker lever and some I believe has electric start

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Overpriced Parts /

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> The pedals propel the bike, but do not start it as there are no starter

> clutches. They have a pretty nice kicker lever and some I believe has

> electric start

That’s a way better set up instead of the pedals turning over transmission gears on some Mopeds and if you flip the petal lever on a moby I hope that’s all working good because if it gets stuck it’s not a lot of fun,

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The velo-moteur switch is just for compliance, slip the belt off the pulleys on a Moby if for some reason you want to pedal it like a cycle

(but we all know that Flintstone-ing it is much faster to move than pedalling)

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> That’s a way better set up instead of the pedals turning over

> r transmission gears on some Mopeds and if you flip the petal lever on a

> moby I hope that’s all working good because if it gets stuck it’s not a

> lot of fun,

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I like the kick start on the "new" Tomos...but I guess that means no push start ability? I hear ya on that moby switch Ken, I learned the hard way to never disengage one! :)

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campeona del mundo /

bye bike produces a pedal version for certain markets...NL is the big one. im sure dos will be getting those as it makes it 50 state "moped" legal.

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> bye bike produces a pedal version for certain markets...NL is the big

> one. im sure dos will be getting those as it makes it 50 state "moped"

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We don't have a pedal version here, we abandoned the pedal law almost 40 years ago.

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Brad William /

About five years ago I went a little nuts trying to find or generate enthusiasm for this on several forums. It just doesn't exist. I gave up. All the real thought and effort along these lines is in ebikes. The "moped" concept as we know it is almost entirely an accommodation to law, and a poor accommodation at that. Just to qualify as a "pedal bike" pedals and cranks are slapped on. They're otherwise useless appendages, but there you have it.

Why not a lightweight, true bicycle when wanted, and gas powered bike when wanted. Doesn't exist. Very strange. I would loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove to see this concept. A stripped down basic honda 50cc four stroke trimmer motor adds less than three pounds to the mix. It could be an incredibly versatile moped. No restrictions at all. Any trails, sidewalks, parks where bicycles are permitted. Bicycle comfortably and efficiently as you'd expect a bike to. Fire up the motor and cruise at 40mph when you please.

I fiddled with ideas for a while but was always stymied at the point where the motor is started when needed and propels the bike via its bicycle transmission of chain and freewheels, but is isolated 100 percent from that transmission while pedaling. Some form of lightweight manually activated clutch is required. Maybe off of a push mower blade clutch or similar. Most of the time I attempted to discuss this it was dismissed as "that's just a motored bicycle!" No, it's not. Google motored bicycle and 999 out of 1000 hits are half baked single speed cruisers with basically disposable Chinese twostrokes rigged on with various hose clamps, brackets, and plumbing straps.

Still amazed that this is not a thing five years on. But like I said, all the innovation and energy in this form is focused on ebikes. We missed the curve on this.(edited)

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I dont know about you but I like riding something that makes enough noise that people can hear me coming. The faster you go the more important being seen and heard becomes. Doesn't need to be obnoxiously loud either.

I personally find the top speeds of these electric "razors" to be dangerously fast for as small and silent as they are. All on little 4 inch wheels too. Tell me there hasn't been some face plants from pot holes swallowing up those little wheels.

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Smart idea.

> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> We don't have a pedal version here, we abandoned the pedal law almost 40

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***Vanilla Thunder*** /

can we have a click baity title again?

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> I dont know about you but I like riding something that makes enough

> noise that people can hear me coming. The faster you go the more

> important being seen and heard becomes. Doesn't need to be obnoxiously

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> I personally find the top speeds of these electric "razors" to be

> dangerously fast for as small and silent as they are. All on little 4

> inch wheels too. Tell me there hasn't been some face plants from pot

> holes swallowing up those little wheels.

Do you mean the Lime?Bird ones? If so I so agree, they have been turning up where I live, I thought they were only for the inner city, seems so odd, how do you know if the thing is even charged? And yeah the wheels are WAY too small for anything over walking speed, they have to be ridden in the street, seems like a recipe for disaster, can't believe they ever were given the go-ahead by the city council or that anybody would be foolish enough to insure such a venture. The electric scooters and motorcycles I think would be all-right what with the advent of super bright LED and I'm sure a decent horn, my Hobbit and I were almost run down twice in two blocks today, and it makes engine noises, people are just flat out tuned out on the roads, your safety depends on your own situational awareness, not so much sound. Keep your eyes open and on your mirrors, I got a free adrenaline rush today courtesy of a guy on his phone and an old lady who probably was legally blind, looked right at me and turned left in front of me...maybe she could not calculate closing speed or maybe just never saw me, either way, no business on the road, but she and countless others are too, pay attention, always have an "out". Be safe.

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

Just in my area there are every single Factory that you need to make a moped there's a tube manufacturer down the street from me that makes industrial tubing you can turn them into tank frames with a bender and a welder then the rest is just setting up a small Thomas Factory did you see it I mean it's in Slovenia man it ain't that hard to replicate

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> live ɘvil Wrote:

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> I dont know about you but I like riding something that makes enough

> noise that people can hear me coming. The faster you go the more

> important being seen and heard becomes. Doesn't need to be obnoxiously

> loud either.

funny you say that... I spent a considerable amount of time quieting down the intake roar with a resonance airbox, only to take out all off because nobody noticed me.

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Loud ( pipes ) saves lives is a crock of shit .

They might even shorten lives from the irritation / stress produced .

Unless you're talking train horns , which can be heard up to 6 miles away , noise from a moving vehicle will always be 'passed' . Too late heard for any 'good' it have been .

Commanding your position while riding is much more effective for being noticed .

I much prefer a quiet bike . Quiet offers opportunities not afforded by loud and disturbing noise .

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Dirty30 Dillon /

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> Just in my area there are every single Factory that you need to make a

> moped there's a tube manufacturer down the street from me that makes

> industrial tubing you can turn them into tank frames with a bender and a

> welder then the rest is just setting up a small Thomas Factory did you

> see it I mean it's in Slovenia man it ain't that hard to replicate

Having been to the Tomos Factory in Slovenia, I can say that "setting up a Tomos Factory" involves way more than you understand.

I think it's important to note that just because you are assembling "new" mopeds does not intrinsically make them legal for road use, sale, or registration.

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> Do you mean the Lime?Bird ones? If so I so agree, they have been turning

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Yes and yes.

They should be neon or dayglo colored. Wheels need to be much bigger.

They should make an audible noise (Jetsons) that can be heard by all others around them. The lights on them are a joke too. Someone riding one could be mistaken for a pole or tree at a quick glance in traffic. Way too dangerous. I'll never ride one.(edited)

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> ken gilbert Wrote:

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> funny you say that... I spent a considerable amount of time quieting

> down the intake roar with a resonance airbox, only to take out all off

> because nobody noticed me.

See there, another experienced rider that knows the difference. Most peeps that ride these e razors dont have a clue cause they've never witnessed the difference.

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> P D Wrote:

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> Loud ( pipes ) saves lives is a crock of shit .

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> They might even shorten lives from the irritation / stress produced .

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> Unless you're talking train horns , which can be heard up to 6 miles

> away , noise from a moving vehicle will always be 'passed' . Too late

> heard for any 'good' it have been .

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> Commanding your position while riding is much more effective for being

> noticed .

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> I much prefer a quiet bike . Quiet offers opportunities not afforded by

> loud and disturbing noise .

I totally disagree. Everytime I ride the quietest ped I own (stock muffler express) I witness people turning their heads to see me coming down the road @ 30 mph.

More so on the Garelli with the MLM pipe which is mildly louder.

It does make a difference. I would rather someone hear me than to walk out in front of me.

Again, one does not have to be loud to be noticed.(edited)

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> live ɘvil Wrote:

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> Again, one does not have to be loud to be noticed.

Agreed . ;)

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Brad William /

There are some facts to back this up. There is talk among legislators to artificially add some bit of noise to fully electric cars since pedestrians seem to have the habit of stepping in front of them. Reminds me of the big white block letter reminders painted on the road ahead of you as you step off the curb to cross the street in London. There for the American tourists to "please look to your right!!".

But on balance I opt for the freedom of movement that quiet affords. Irritating others is a really efficient way of getting your fun restricted, or banned outright.

But can we get back to the topic?(edited)

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> live ɘvil Wrote:

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> I dont know about you but I like riding something that makes enough

> noise that people can hear me coming. The faster you go the more

> important being seen and heard becomes. Doesn't need to be obnoxiously

> loud either.

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> I personally find the top speeds of these electric "razors" to be

> dangerously fast for as small and silent as they are. All on little 4

> inch wheels too. Tell me there hasn't been some face plants from pot

> holes swallowing up those little wheels.

Ditto!

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> Brad William Wrote:

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> But can we get back to the topic?

Gas mopeds are superior to e bikes/peds and should be mass produced again. Are pre orders being taken yet?

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Dirty30 Dillon /

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Pre-orders for what?

They have been produced since the 70's. It wasn't the manufacturers that stopped, it was the US distributors who stopped buying.

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Pete Daddeo *YouTube: Moped Problems* Wrote:

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Can we mass produce mopeds again?It should be done. We're gonna try.(edited)

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Dirty30 Dillon /

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Yes, I read the first post.

But why would anyone buy a Tomos when they could buy a bye bike that is actually DOT/EPA approved and doesn't have shady QC issues?

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