I definitely locked up a nearly new set of cheap treats MB5 tires. ate some shit that time. they're mostly fine tires but not in the rain. and that's on a disk; I wasn't hammering on it or hamfisted crushing gobs of hard braking, pretty average trying to slow down. anyway, not trying to distract but rather further your point - don't underestimate rain. and to Daniels point, good tires help, although 10 year old savas are still probable better than 90% of the tires I foolishly keep trusting... fuckit. mopeds. if ya ain't wreckin' ya aint ridin, amirite?!