Are motorcycles safer then stock mopeds?

Simon Belmont /

Being able to keep up with traffic and all are motorcycles safer then stock mopeds (without any speed modifications?)

Or are motorcycles at higher risk due to higher speeds?

Please leave your comments below.

Re: Are motorcycles safer then stock mopeds?

Josiah Radebaugh /

I feel like if you don't drive like a stupid nut, even a small lower cc bike would be safer...

Re: Are motorcycles safer then stock mopeds?

It really depends on where you ride, stock has really become unsafe where I live, except in back neighborhoods, streets with lots of lights etc. A motorcycle is safer in that regard, but more speed reduces reaction time, so if you are new...could be dangerous too, but I think I will opt for more power and sell most of my mopeds... :( Areo 50 or 80 should be fine for where I ride.

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

In a word using general Physics yes a moped is safer because a moped will not crush your bones up against the car you will bounce off a car instead of denting it mass times velocity Eagles the force and also distance and spin there are so many things that go into an accident but honestly you're better off without seven or eight hundred pounds of metal behind you

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Dirty30 Dillon /

I'm gonna go with Moto. Appropriate sized brakes for the increased accel really help.

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As a seasoned rider on both I can honestly say both are safe its everyone and everything thing else you have to look out for. I mean you need some type of discipline as a rider as well but pple act like they dont see you on both

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

No no no there's no trusting other drivers you can be the best motorcyclist in the world and there's always one a****** on a cell phone that gives you the look like hey I see it and still pulls out just by the sheer physics mopeds are safer if you take a stock one and put disc brakes on it dude that is awesome but still even if you short stop a motorcycle you stop too fast it's just as bad as hitting it

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I believe it's very much up to the rider. I think a smart,aware rider on a moped can avoid injury better than a smart,aware rider on a MC,just because like Slew said...Physics (speed and weight).

Getting in the habit of checking mirrors(plural) often and `covering your brakes' in congested areas is the best defense. Wear the brain bucket!

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I agree with the physics aspect.

F=MA

A= V/T

Force being what kills you—with a moped you have less mass, less velocity, and more time. All of these things will help you survive.

Without hundreds of HP you are less able to do stupid things. This is another thing that will help the moped rider.

In general a moped rider isn't going to ride on the freeway, where if something happens the rider, be he on a big or small bike, is likely to die.

Riding like an asshat on either bike is likely to put you in harms way. The benefit of the moped in this regard is that again less M, A, and more T.

With cars neither bike has enough mass to challenge an automobile, so both are going to lose in a collision with a car.

Develop your ability to read traffic. This is your best survival tool on the road. You have to predict what those cars, trucks, bikes, peds, etc. are going to do, and make sure you have a plan to evade them.

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This happened out in Berkeley today. Yamaha R6 vs a small/micro car. The rider didn't survive. Even with a small car you are not going to have enough mass to overwhelm the physics.

It's quite probable that the rider was going much faster than a moped could go, and same for the car. Again more time, less mass, and velocity will contribute to your chances of survival.

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Captain Janeway /

Keeping up with the traffic on my mopeds is why my bikes are kitted or at least ported so they go a little faster. In my neighborhood the cagers are crawling up my tail at WOT on bone stock. I don't feel safe on them at 30 anymore.

They're fast enough now what I can dodge cars a little better now, but accidents will happen anyway. I just keep my head going back and forth, only wear a full face helmet now, and drive like I have a target on my back.

I've been driving peds 40 years with two accidents. One would have had the same outcome whether I was driving ped on Moto, but the other would have been worse on a moto I think because of the way I went flying over the guy's hood (asshole).

I'm not a motorcycle rider at all. (edited)

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Dirty30 Dillon /

I don't think Mass has anything to do with it. Your mass is the same no matter what you're riding, so the force is only increased by the acceleration. Sure, you can do 60 easily on a moto, but they also stop very well from that speed, whereas most mopeds I see folks riding barely can stop from 30 mpn to make a light.

I spend a lot of time riding through Manhattan, all traffic travels at 30 mph, very heavy and very unruly.

On the stock moped, it's all about rhythm and getting through traffic at the best speed you can so that you aren't a speed bump. This can get dicey. I've had handlebars squeezed between cars on the bridge. Straight horror.

On the Moto you can get out of the way faster, from a stop or rolling. And also, even 160mm+ drum brakes can lock up the tires of a 220lb enduro faster than a moped can.

I will agree, if you are not a very proficient rider, stock mopeds are best. You can't get yourself into the same trouble if you lose control at 25 vs. 55. That said, I think equipment quality and advantages give motos definite advantage, and that's not even considering newer bike with disk brakes and ABS, etc.

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a modern motorcycle is indisputably safer in every conceivable way. decent brakes (not to mention abs), tires with a substantial contact patch, and functioning suspension with proper damping are all safety features lacking in mopeds.

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kevin Smellaflange /

m/c are not safer at the speed they can attain...

...than the speed a ''mildly'' modded moped can attain.

mopeds do have front disc brakes as a common mod.

i can leap off or ditch a moped better then a crotch rocket/stunt pickle...or a highway pegger.

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Probably Fred /

> Dave & Bummerzz Wrote:

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> a modern motorcycle is indisputably safer in every conceivable way.

> decent brakes (not to mention abs), tires with a substantial contact

> patch, and functioning suspension with proper damping are all safety

> features lacking in mopeds.

Yes that’s why large mopeds like Tomos revival/streetmate, puch magnums, Sebrings, 5 star generals big derbis sle’s and other big type bikes need to be used with upgrades to the engines, tires, suspension and brakes if you are gonna be a everyday Warrior moped rider nowadays with 2x the motorist there used to be plus they’re all distracted and in a hurry,

Big bike, have a tall stance and have good front and rear lights (and having electric light turn signals is plus also)

A slammed Low to the ground bike like a custom maxi N with clip on bars and one tiny LED light in the back and a tucked down rider riding it though cool looking will literally disappear when riding in front of a small car or other bike so passing motorists may not see it until it’s too late so know where you can ride such bikes and be safe

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Good points,Ken. It seems I remember that speed increases the force of impact much more than twice if comparing 30 mph versus 60mph crashes, so HOW can a MC be considered safer to the rider at stock moped speed versus MC speeds of more than 60 mph?

Reaction time is less, inertia in that direction is much more.

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Aaron Ward /

Countless amounts of times I've been almost hit on my ped, especially at night. Almost everytime I will get a "I'm sorry I didn't see you" . Black bike with 2 little lights at night. I totally understand the cagers point of view. Motorcycle if you respect the power and in addition safety features and actual lights I consider a safer choice. But mopeds are way more fun.

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> Aaron Ward Wrote:

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> Countless amounts of times I've been almost hit on my ped, especially at

> night. Almost everytime I will get a "I'm sorry I didn't see you" .

> Black bike with 2 little lights at night. I totally understand the

> cagers point of view. Motorcycle if you respect the power and in

> addition safety features and actual lights I consider a safer choice.

> But mopeds are way more fun.

You need to upgrade your lights and pay more attention to traffic approaching at twice your speed from behind in YOUR lane. Get a flasher to mount on your seatpost. Battery powered.

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Aaron Ward /

Hpi mini running the lights, no problem on the brightness, just a low, small profile. I have no problems with people running up on me, it's usually people turning in front of me. Probably partially my fault also when you clipping along at 50 in a 30. For some reason I never have the need to clip along like that on the motorcycle. I feal like I'm always in "tunning mode" when I'm on the ped, want to see the limit and what I can do to always improve it.

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I have to say that in my opinion motorcycles are 10times more dangerous. The speeds that they go instantly can kill you on sight. Most mopeds go bicycle speeds. It would have to be freak accident or negligence of a driver which can happen walking on foot.

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> Aaron Ward Wrote:

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> Hpi mini running the lights, no problem on the brightness, just a low,

> small profile. I have no problems with people running up on me, it's

> usually people turning in front of me. Probably partially my fault also

> when you clipping along at 50 in a 30. For some reason I never have the

> need to clip along like that on the motorcycle. I feal like I'm always

> in "tunning mode" when I'm on the ped, want to see the limit and what I

> can do to always improve it.

Well, you made a MC out of your moped,so it's inherent features are lessened in effect.Brakes,tires,reaction time,etc.

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Brad William /

If you compared mishaps per mile, impossible to do since the majority of peds aren't insured for the road and aren't statistically tracked by insurers, motorcycles are far safer, even with the large speed handicap of peds. Mishaps per hour in the saddle? It gets worse yet.

Leave out for argument's sake the different riders/personalities peds and MCs attract, and their contrasted uses.. mostly joy riding vs mostly commuting, and the averaged likelihood that a ped rider has less road experience than a MC'er. Even leave out the mechanical superiority of motorcycles generally. Then you are comparing two wheeled vehicles. The motorcycle spends 99 percent of its time in sync with all other traffic. Average ped spends about 50 percent of its time in sync with the rest of trsffic. The other 50 percent of the time he's an anomaly, out of step with the flow. Doesn't take an insurance actuary to tell you that's a recipe for accidents to happen.

I'm mostly defensive in my car. 90 percent defensive on my motorcycle. 110 percent defensive on my little Puch. I'm still waay more vulnerable on the Puch. (edited)

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Brad wrote: `If you compared mishaps per mile, impossible to do since the majority of peds aren't insured for the road and aren't statistically tracked by insurers, motorcycles are far safer, even with the large speed handicap of peds. Mishaps per hour in the saddle? It gets much worse yet.'

Exactly...…..you cannot know statistics, but the `mishap' on a moped is generally a lot less severe than the mishap at 60-70 mph on an MC. So I disagree,Brad.

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kevin Smellaflange /

battery operated lights like DON suggested is a great idea...i haven't done it yet, but i think i will before i go out again, it's easy to clip a flasher to the seat post.

the back of my 3/4 helmet has an integral light w/off,on slow,flasher style.

years ago i had of a honda goldwing rider getting killed at the light from a cager rear ending him.

w/lane splitting/filtering he would have prolly stayed in the target zone because baggers act like cars.

a skinny moped would maybe have been in front of that hot mess?

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

Let's see hmmm mass don't figure in?

I will hit you with a 2lb cobbler hammer than a 20 lb mini sledge.

The metal is harder huh.

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> ♣Slew Foot♣ Wrote:

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> Let's see hmmm mass don't figure in?

>

> I will hit you with a 2lb cobbler hammer than a 20 lb mini sledge.

>

> The metal is harder huh.

LOL! Simple and HIT THE NAIL on the head.LOL!

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Captain Janeway /

I also wear a neon vest now, reflective stickers on helmet and do a lot more lanesplitting than I used to. I'll pull up next to the cars at lights and have enough speed/pickup to get in front.

I used to hate doing that, but one of my accidents was getting rear-ended by a drunk in a cadillac while behind another car at a light. Had whiplash problems ever since.

I like the idea of a light on the helmet. I'd like to figure out how to get discs brakes on my Urbans. (edited)

Re: Are motorcycles safer then stock mopeds?

Mopeds are safer in a special way, for example if you feel thatyour bike is going to fall down you can use your foot to bounce off the ground and thus keep balance.

Or if a heavy motorcycle fell down it would hurt your leg much more than a light moped, etc.

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How many times has anyone seen a news report about a moped /car accident ,

compared to motorcycle / car accident ?

And , it's THAN , not Then . Not to mention there should be the word 'stock' in front of motorcycles . Just to keep things more even . ;)

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> Always Working Wrote:

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> I have to say that in my opinion motorcycles are 10times more dangerous.

> The speeds that they go instantly can kill you on sight. Most mopeds go

> bicycle speeds. It would have to be freak accident or negligence of a

> driver which can happen walking on foot.

You can die just as easily at 25 as at 50, they key to staying alive on 2 wheels is situational awareness, when riding don't think about anything else, once you get a bike running you will understand how generally weak stock moped brakes are, being able to stop quick is critical. Acceleration is critical too, most people have no idea the difference between a moped and a motorcycle, and expect you to be able to take off quickly, this is where my stock bikes are failing me, almost been run down from behind by people who don't know I can't take off like a sport bike.

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