tomos vin

ben henderson /

Is there only one vin # on a tomos...near the handle bars?

My bike came pre-painted from the previous owner...who painted over the vin plate.

I tried to remove the paint...this removed all lettering from the plate.

Just wondering if there was a vin located anywhere else.

My bike also seems like a hodge-podge. It has (as far as I can tell) the A3 engine (has ports, no reed valve) and is kickstart only but the tank on it still had Targa LX stickers on it. From what I can see online, I thought the Targa LX had the A35.

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I have a late model ST that has no VIN stamped it as odd as it sounds. The VIN sticker was gone too when I got it. Depending on what you want to do, I went through the titling process using the motor motor serial number. The motor serial is clearly identifiable.

I've never seen a Kickstart A3 they seem interesting.

Your story sounds so weird and sketchy. You're lucky you didn't buy a Targa LX with this motor it!

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Kristoffer Johnson /

There might be numbers stamped on the right side of the frame between the top bolts that the engine hangs from. Maybe a little light sanding may reveal them.

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ben henderson /

The motor has A52 stamped on the jug. Not actually sure what that means. I thought A3's were port and A35's had reed valve. My knowledge of tomos only extends to 2 bikes I bought...one with a seized A35/reed valve that I got running and sold and this bike with a A52(?) that is port. Both bikes had targa LX tanks, tho most of the plastic faring bits were missing. This bike came with a biturbo pipe welded on and once I got it running was a fair bit faster than the A35 (stock) that I had repaired before. So now I've dumped more money into it than I spent on the bike :) and it is fun to ride. Fun enough that I was considering registering it. I doubt I want to go through the effort of getting a new title...my understand is that here in NC that costs $ and is a hassle. Maybe it isnt so bad for a moped, but most guys selling motorcycles without a title can't get much for them because no one wants to mess with it.

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ben henderson /

> Kristoffer Johnson Wrote:

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> There might be numbers stamped on the right side of the frame between

> the top bolts that the engine hangs from. Maybe a little light sanding

> may reveal them.

I checked, there is a number there. But it is only 6 digits long. Is that right for a vin?

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Kristoffer Johnson /

Yep. 6 digits. Engine should also have the same 6 stamped on the main case also.

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ben henderson /

> Kristoffer Johnson Wrote:

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> Yep. 6 digits. Engine should also have the same 6 stamped on the main

> case also.

so is that a serial number or an actual vin number? I recently fixed up a '89 yamaha jog and it's vin number was like 12 or so numbers long.

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A52 means a later model engine. A35,or A55. Seeing as there aren't Reed's, its probably an a55.... Is the carb a phva?

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Just put a load of zeros before the 6 digits to make the VIN and go the Vermont route.

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ben henderson /

> Aaron Blair Wrote:

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> A52 means a later model engine. A35,or A55. Seeing as there aren't

> Reed's, its probably an a55.... Is the carb a phva?

No, it has a homemade intake pipe and had a A35 Dellorto carb, so I replaced with a new dellorto 14:12P.

Would it run better with the phva carb? I see they are pretty dang expensive compared to the one I put on it.

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ben henderson /

> Ryan Graeme Wrote:

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> Just put a load of zeros before the 6 digits to make the VIN and go the

> Vermont route.

I've never registered a moped/motorcycle. What do you mean by the "vermont route"? And would I need to add eleven "0"s since I only have 6 digits?

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ben henderson /

> Ryan Graeme Wrote:

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> Just put a load of zeros before the 6 digits to make the VIN and go the

> Vermont route.

OK, did a google search to figure out you meant by "vermont route" but on the moped army page about it, it says to take a pic of the VIN plate and a closeup of it. But I can't do that so am I back to square one? Or do I just take a pic of the serial number on the frame by the engine?

Anyone else deal with this stuff and wish old farts who have no idea how most people live weren't the ones making the laws? It was only a few years ago I think that NC started requiring insurance for 50cc bikes. When I was a teenager I used to ride a pedal bike almost as fast as my tomos went...and I was likely more of a risk/danger to others than I am now. Making our lives complicated just to collect a few extra tax dollars...or perhaps to discourage the use of these gas sippers altogether.

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Ya know, I bet somebody here has a titled frame they would sell you if worse comes to worst....

Naw, you don't need a phva. That's just what a55s came with..I woulda went with something bigger than a 14/12 but whatever.

If I were you I'd just put a Reed kit on it. That's what I did my my streetmate before I put the A3n on it...but get the title first, don't wanna dump money into a non legal bike...

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Often times you can still see contrast from where the numbers were even if the ink is gone. The number stamped on the right motor mount is the unique part of the vin number, you're missing the prefix that makes it 17 digits. The actual vin will be something like ZZ1A(then two digits for model)12x(Digit for year)K(unique part of the vin that's stamped on the frame)

Google "NC MVR-58".

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

It's NC....

If I am not mistaken. You don't need even a driver's license. Or title just a registration through the municipality. If required .

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ben henderson /

> Aaron Blair Wrote:

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> Ya know, I bet somebody here has a titled frame they would sell you if

> worse comes to worst....

>

> Naw, you don't need a phva. That's just what a55s came with..I woulda

> went with something bigger than a 14/12 but whatever.

>

> If I were you I'd just put a Reed kit on it. That's what I did my my

> streetmate before I put the A3n on it...but get the title first, don't

> wanna dump money into a non legal bike...

Truth is I already have almost $300 into the bike. I live in a subdivision so I can drive anywhere in it and get to a gas station and a dollar general without having to drive on the main road. And I don't need it for transportation, I just think it is fun to ride. But since I have $300 into it, it would be nice if I knew I could sell it at some point and get most of my money back...but if it can't be registered then I wont get much for it.

On the carb, what would you suggest? Is the issue the carb's air inlet size, or jet size? I was already thinking of increasing the main jet size. I have a cone filter on the bike and it seems to run just a tad better with 50% of the filter covered by duct tape...which probably means it is running a bit lean.

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♣Slew Foot♣ /

Ok I reread the post.

A55 on a a35 frame need vin to register . well seeing as they just changed the rules there must be a way to create title w/o the original MCO document. Your DOT or a notary has a form in pa it's an m1 form for auto titles to reissue a title for missing documentation or if you homemade your rod to get a title.

Normally you need a state mechanics license to get the form but state it is for a moped w/o a vin with a dated receipt for the frame you can fill it all out you can write in where it requires your mechanic # you put in your state DL# as no inspection is required for mopeds it goes through if not you get 6 moths of ride time on a transferred plate from another you own. Get new plate for transferred one. You can speak it 2x even if they don't approve of it...

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Did you re-jet the carb when you put it on the bike? They don't come pre tuned...yeah, if it runs better with the filter covered your running too lean, upjet it.

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Finish filling in the vin with the 6 numbers you have and search on the site

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ben henderson /

> tony greathouse Wrote:

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> Finish filling in the vin with the 6 numbers you have and search on the

> site

You sir, are the greatest person on this site!

This worked perfectly. I now know I have a '94 targa lx with a newer A55 motor.

And I shouldn't have any problem getting it registered now!

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Glad it helped

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ben henderson /

> tony greathouse Wrote:

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> Glad it helped

It did, got a plate for it today! Hope to put it on and do some carb tuning tomorrow.

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