MotoPECAN Av50 Build

Hey guys,

My first moped was a Peugeot 102... That's all that needs to be said.

Time to start a new project.

I picked up this AV50 MotoPECAN (as you real Americans say it), during Christmas season. The guy was selling a clean 103 as well but I decided to go for something different. Initially, I wanted to do the basic gasket, bearing, seal, tank revive procedure and just ride it. I had spent so much time working on the 102, the last thing I wanted was to wait another decade to ride a moped.

It only took a couple days and the Treatland Holiday sale to change that.

(the blue thing is what i got) (edited)

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There was something about the moped...

I don't know. I just needed to do something exotic. I wanted to just cut it up. Maybe it was residual stress from my 102?

Maybe Tomahawk's videos got me into the shock relocation hype, I don't know.

So...

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I'm not very artistic but I had to get some shocks back on so here we go.

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anddddd some grinding

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then some tube and flat bar

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a lot of thinking anddddd

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The shocks are way too stiff. Got them on ebay for cheap and they didn't list the spring rate. Figure it would be okay but no. I will prob get new ones way down the line.

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I took a ton of pictures and ripped the moped apart.

I'm not sure if I'm done with the back end but I think I am.

Next step is to fix a big dent, then sand and paint it.

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Brandon Weiss (Detective brandon to you) /

Interesting. If i were you i would tie the two upper shock mounts together with a brace of some kind.

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too stiff shocks not just uncomfortable, they can crack your frame and stuff.

lots a folks on youtube messing with those 'rfy' cheap piggyback shocks, rebuilding them and tuning them up.

you can get different springs for them from a variety of places. racetech has springs for almost everything but they are probably more expensive than the shocks. either way might be worth it.

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> Graham Motzing Wrote:

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> too stiff shocks not just uncomfortable, they can crack your frame and

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> lots a folks on youtube messing with those 'rfy' cheap piggyback shocks,

> rebuilding them and tuning them up.

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> you can get different springs for them from a variety of places.

> racetech has springs for almost everything but they are probably more

> expensive than the shocks. either way might be worth it.

Yeah, I don't mind paying for new springs.

I'll look into it.

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> Brandon Weiss (Detective brandon to you) Wrote:

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> Interesting. If i were you i would tie the two upper shock mounts

> together with a brace of some kind.

They are pretty damn solid, but I've been thinking about it.

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I just watch this video where he made longer lower spring hats to reduce the pressure on the spring, I think I’m gonna try this with mine since they are super stiff.

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> I just watch this video where he made longer lower spring hats to reduce

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That's nice but I don't have a lathe.

Easiest would be softer springs.

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Depending on construction , there may be other options .

But , softer springs already exist .

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Hate to be lazy but, do you have a link for those?

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Charles Cole (OFMC) /

I made the same mistake, several years ago, on the too stiff of springs. I did find some with way lighter springs and they work great. The ones I'm stuck with would be perfect for a medium weight standard type honda bike, or similar. Like a CB 400A or T.

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> Hate to be lazy but, do you have a link for those?

Specifically , no . Sorry .

Here are a couple of places that might be able to help you sort your springs :

http://racetech.com/index.aspx

https://www.progressivesuspension.com

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> Charles Cole (OFMC) Wrote:

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> I made the same mistake, several years ago, on the too stiff of springs.

> I did find some with way lighter springs and they work great. The ones

> I'm stuck with would be perfect for a medium weight standard type honda

> bike, or similar. Like a CB 400A or T.

Which ones do you have now?

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How the hell do I remove the chrome gas tank trim?

It's glued?

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So after some contemplating, I've decided to paint the frame myself.

I was going to have it powder coated but I used to powdercoat and there are a couple reasons why I dont wanna go that route.

I ended up getting automotive paint from automotivetouchup.com.

Wasn't cheap but I'm hoping to get a quality finish especially with the 2k clear.

I was also allured because I've been wanting to paint the moped "Nardo Gray, LY7C".

That color is... yum. (edited)

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Alright.

Figured out how to remove those chrome plates.

The sticker hides 2 rivets.

Just drill them out. I'm going to go with the shaved look.

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Finally pulled out the motor mounts. Mine were stuck in there good.

1-1/4" socket, a long bolt, a lot of washers and a 22 mm socket.

I broke a few washers and killed a few bolts.

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Here we go... Sometimes people tell you things and you just decide that you're the best so you don't need to listen.

Got right into the fucking cabbage with this one.

When I bought the moped I knew there was a dent. I didn't care because I wasn't planning on ripping it apart and putting a nice coat of paint on it. I swung by a body shop to get an opinion on the dent. I was told it was very risky to try and pull it out. They recommended body filler. "Dont wanna open a can of worms".

I said screw it. I get it. They don't wanna crack the metal and stare at 8 hours of shop time to repair a moped.

I'll try it myself. Worst case I weld it back up...

I was just sanding the paint down and then hit it with a wire wheel. This happened.

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I thought, easy enough. I've fixed holes much bigger than that. Well, that's with a TIG welder. My experience is very very little when it comes to mig.

Anyways... welding the hole was a shit show with the mig. Water is pissing out of it.

I plan on a lot of dremel work and then getting some time with a tig torch to try and fix it. WORST CASE, I have a motorcycle shop braze it or some shit.

Sometimes you lose some...

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shoulda mentioned the dent first...just get another one, meaning a good frame to start with. stupid mobys always rust down low, i gotta chop one up as well.

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That little hole could easily be soldered shut and hold for years .

Then apply body filler if you want a pretty looking piece .

If the tank is rusted inside , apply a coat of epoxy resin inside to stop the rust and seal any pin holes .

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Brandon Weiss (Detective brandon to you) /

I wouldnt trust that frame not to fold on me....get another one.

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> I wouldnt trust that frame not to fold on me....get another one.

Really?

Think the picture makes it look worse than it is.

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Brandon Weiss (Detective brandon to you) /

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> Think the picture makes it look worse than it is.

In the picture, it looks as though it was hit with a canonnball, a deep dent.

Even if it's not that bad, the stamped sheet metal relies on it's original design and shape for strength and rigidity. Imagine a 12oz aluminum soda can....you can stand on an empty one if you distribute the weight perfectly...but put one little dent in the wall, and it will crumple. Unless you add a crossbar up top, i would not trust it.

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> In the picture, it looks as though it was hit with a canonnball, a deep

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> Even if it's not that bad, the stamped sheet metal relies on it's

> original design and shape for strength and rigidity. Imagine a 12oz

> aluminum soda can....you can stand on an empty one if you distribute the

> weight perfectly...but put one little dent in the wall, and it will

> crumple. Unless you add a crossbar up top, i would not trust it.

Yeah I understand the idea of the stamped sheet metal.

Although the analogy with the can makes sense on a basic level, it is not directly comparable to the design of the frame. I do agree it is weakened. But is it unusable?

Debatable.

Not easy finding spare frames here so I'll prob patch it up and run it. (edited)

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Dirty30 Dillon /

I've personally tossed 3 moby frames in the trash, as deemed unrideable.

Especially at the bend there, it's a lot of force to try and hold against. Especially considering most tanks have oxidized already and lost integrity just from rust.

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Will take another picture later. It's just the corner of the tank that's bent.

The red circle is where its bent. Just pushed the gas tank in a little.

I can reinforce the sides as well where the black rubber inserts are.

I'm gonna run with it if I can patch the tank.

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Brandon Weiss (Detective brandon to you) /

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> Not easy finding spare frames here so I'll prob patch it up and run it.

Maybe there is an optical illusion at play in the picture?

If the dent is as bad as it looks, i personally wouldnt use it. While the direction of the force applied in the soda can analogy is different (straight down), i feel it still applies here, and that it may even be MORE critical in your case, based on the location of the dent (a lot of leverage/compression forces are applied there, especially over bumps), and when you consider Dillon's additional point regarding internal rust/corrosion, i think it adds up enough to warrant a new frame.

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To compare.

I think it will be fine. Might reinforce it in a couple ways.

I don't have access to frames here.

I'll keep an eye out but it could be a while.

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