Went riding today and saw a couple of things.

Probably Fred /

Nice mid upper 50s temps day after morning rain so I got to use up some more old gas this afternoon and saw a penny-farthing/high wheeler bike.

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And sublot 242 (out of one of the too many subdivisions going up everywhere) flying up in less then 2 weeks

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Compare to this 12 day old picture

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If anybody took any pictures while the weather has been nice this week post them up !

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Yea they build those things in weeks now its fucking amazing but you also question the work and how long that house will last. We’ve only gotten worst over the years about building and we are cutting coners to save a buck and Puting lives @ danger. We need to depopulate and be smarter about our spending, but that would be to much and be to difficult so let’s just destroy your country. Now a 100 familys can live in the same square foot as one family, isn’t America great? We are so smart us Americans (edited)

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Ken,as long as up and coming people are satisfied with those developments, it means more COUNTRY land available for those of us that actually live life.

Let em have their dhoulder to shoulder copycat lots. More rural choices for us.

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Not if they want more I mean need more land to develop! I don’t think everyone in those affordable housing development want to live there, it’s not cheap to live out in rurals around populated cities, You ether gotta make some good dough or work your ass off.

The housing market at the moment needs more houses to appear. People are getting bids higher then their asking price (edited)

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Making houses out of plywood and complaining every time it blows away. That's the American way.

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Take it down a notch, you’re coming across as envious.

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Cardboard oops, I mean 'paricle' board boxes covered with vinyl and brick vineer on the front for half of a million bucks...

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> Bob Selby Wrote:

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> Cardboard oops, I mean 'paricle' board boxes covered with vinyl and

> brick vineer on the front for half of a million bucks...

Some of the neighborhoods in Charlotte that were built like that, people were getting broken into by people gong in the back yard and using box cutters to break in.....such a shame. I rembers seeing one of the videos. They litterly cut a door sized hole and walked in. And graves shit and walked out. I remember when I was looking for a house. I was like fuck you can get a lot of house for a little bit. But then I saw the construction and was like NOPE! Bought a house 1/2 the size built in 1952. (edited)

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

That’s why I bought an old house. You can get so much better for less. I put a little money into it to bring the mechanicals up to date. New 200 amp service, dual zone heat w/ac, all new plumbing and baths, and about 25 gallons of paint. New windows roof and insulation had been done previously.

Rural 3000+sq/ft 2-1/2 story brick colonial on an acre with a 30x50 2 story barn w/concrete floor with plenty of room to work snd store all of my stuff and park the cars. All for just under 100k and 6 months of my time in the evenings and weekends. Homeowers insurance put the replacement value at $484k. It’s been standing strong since 1860 and I don’t expect it to be going anywhere any time soon.

I could never justify spending the kind of money on the stuff they slap together now. It pays to be handy.

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> Rocco Taco Wrote:

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> The housing market at the moment needs more houses to appear. People are

> getting bids higher then their asking price

That seems to be the case .

We sold our house for cash in 2015 , well over what we'd expected . Competing offers of more than the asking price . Closed in 12 days .

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Here in NJ, Ryan homes is the largest builder of those particle board built houses. They go up here in about two weeks from start to finish. They look nice, but have no character. My house was built in the 1840's and exudes character. It'll still be standing when those Ryan homes are long gone.

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Probably Fred /

> Moped Lar (OFMC) Wrote:

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> Here in NJ, Ryan homes is the largest builder of those particle board

> built houses. They go up here in about two weeks from start to finish.

> They look nice, but have no character.

Yep !

Ya Larry we have Ryan build homes out of my way too.

I worked on some of them in the day but most I had to actually walk off the job because they were built so poorly with only a single layer of OSB subFloor on tiny floor joists with no bridging, thin, cracked, Unlevel concrete slab and Or didn’t even go to all the way to the wall with just foam shoved in void, most never had permanent heating and cooling installed or on which is a must on most floor coverings,

Couldn't install tile, wood or most any flooring or cpt because so bad and they/superintendent couldn’t understand flooring specifications that you had to have double thickness of floor about an inch and a quarter bare minimum thickness with permanent heat on to install most hard floorings and that’s before the underlayment, screen and mud, cement board anything that’s what you need to start out/begin with not just put floors on one thin 5/8 layer of OSB (orientated, strand board)

What people call particleboard is really orientated strand board (they haven’t used particleboard for years) and why they use it because it’s supposedly waterproof (which really isn’t) so they could put the house up in all weather what may be fine for just the first layer it’s not fine as a finish product.

There are very many good home builders I’ve worked on that build quality homes even the cheaper ones but there’s just as many if not more crappy home builders,

Sometime I’ll post a pictures of the last houses that were allowed to build in my development that I did the ceramic tile, wood, inlaid vinyl flooring and cpt 20 years ago,

Those last few houses were done by a smaller custom homebuilder that only did a few houses a year, he took his time and the houses are built like a rock, best built houses in my development and most have most original floorings, walls wall-covering, siding, roof everything.

Crappy or not there’s way more regulations and specifications that new house builders have to follow and all new homes by me and have to be guaranteed 10 years for Materials and workmanship but a few years ago they were only guaranteed for two years So new houses are supposedly better than five year old homes but who knows,

They just keep putting houses up destroying land and habitat while one out of three houses are being abandoned in all surrounding cities!

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> - rwc - Wrote:

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> Take it down a notch, you’re coming across as envious.

I'm perfectly happy with my small brick house, i'll never have to fear any weather.

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This is not my house, but just around the corner. This block was built in 1931 and all houses are identical.

And yes, one of the houses is on fire.

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> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> > Take it down a notch, you’re coming across as envious.

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> I'm perfectly happy with my small brick house, i'll never have to fear

> any weather.

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> This is not my house, but just around the corner. This block was built

> in 1931 and all houses are identical.

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> And yes, one of the houses is on fire.

Maybe good for you , but , give me a place in the country .

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> P D Wrote:

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> Maybe good for you , but , give me a place in the country .

When i'm old i'd like to live in the countryside too, but right now i'm really glad to live 2 minutes away from the city centre.

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> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> > P D Wrote:

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> > Maybe good for you , but , give me a place in the country .

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> When i'm old i'd like to live in the countryside too, but right now i'm

> really glad to live 2 minutes away from the city centre.

I know what you mean . I've been there , too. ;)

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Ryan is all over the country....they are here too.

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Hipsters love old houses

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A smart person who understands construction loves old house. These old house were made with dense lumber and will never be sourced again. Just syaing.....older house were built better.

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> Baron Von Hamilton Wrote:

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> A smart person who understands construction loves old house. These old

> house were made with dense lumber and will never be sourced again. Just

> syaing.....older house were built better.

Older house also have character. I love my built in closet and fireplace.

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Bas, you're missing the point. Your people obviously haven't caught on to capitalism. Consumerism isn't simply restricted to the shopping malls. It's pretty much all over including real estate in form of mass produced homes.

You nickname makes no sense, Bas Autowas. What does it mean anyway?

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> Dmitry K. Wrote:

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> You nickname makes no sense, Bas Autowas. What does it mean anyway?

Its the name of a local carwash.

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> Baron Von Hamilton Wrote:

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> A smart person who understands construction loves old house. These old

> house were made with dense lumber and will never be sourced again. Just

> syaing.....older house were built better.

^Agreed 100%, ancillary systems have improved, windows, insulation, hvac, but the structure in most newer homes, apts has gone as cheap as can be, and it is sad, here in MN, we have huge temp shifts, can be as high as 100 F in the summer to 20-30, even 40 below 0 in the winter, so they have to do better than the national average, but they still cut corners everywhere they can, these new buildings will never outlast ones that are already 60-100 yrs old. The problem is enough generations have come up not knowing quality, so they don't know they are being short changed. The builders are licking their chops for when people my age die and no one expects anything to last. Not just the home builders, but appliance makers, car builders, quality means you will not need another one, and that does not drive profits. (edited)

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Comparison can be made as simple as this.

Vintage Mopeds > Chinese Scooters

Old Houses > cookie cutter house built in a week

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Something else to consider : Did the builder intend on living in the house he built for a length of time ?

The house we lived in for 18 years was the builders home until the last few years before we bought it . It was very obvious to me , the differences from most other houses . Sure , there were things that needed attention , but , the build was well done .

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Captain Janeway /

> Baron Von Hamilton Wrote:

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> A smart person who understands construction loves old house. These old

> house were made with dense lumber and will never be sourced again. Just

> syaing.....older house were built better.

Same holds for just about everything: clothing quality, furniture, appliances. Had a dryer that had been around at work and used all day for like 34 years just give up the ghost. Was tempted to do a rebuild because I know the one we just bought is not only going to die faster but parts will cost more.

Yeah everyone wants things cheap, but sometimes it's worth it to pay a little more for decent quality. Wish I'd bought an old house instead of a condo back when I bought, but oh well. Would never be able to afford a house here now.

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Eh, it goes both ways, I have owned/rented/repaired houses from the 1800's, 1920's, 1930's, 1950's and currently own a house built 1973.

there have always been low quality shitty houses built, and high quality houses built... still to this day. just happens the technology nowadays lets stuff get build faster and shittier than it ever has. That said, stuff like vapor barrier, pex plumbing, hurricane brackets, help new houses get built way better, faster, stronger. Also labor costs have increased a lot from when you could pay a master bricklayer 3 bucks a day for a couple hundred bricks, to now where you're paying 50+ an hour for a fraction of that productivity.

that said, as a process of natural selection, a lot of old shitty houses were torn down.

i lived in a house in texas that was a 1953 GI- house, it was built crazy shitty, like, stuff done way illegal/dangerous... also lived in an 1840's back house that was built super bad out of garbage materials.

I think the best built houses i've worked on have been from the 20's and 30's... the technology was there to have most of the basic mechanicals done right and home construction was what we would call 'modern' but still mostly old-growth wood and excellent craftsmanship. My folks house built in the mid 30's (height of the depression) is like a dang work of art... lots of unemployed craftsmen with plenty of time to spend doing a really really nice job.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

Making houses out of plywood and complaining every time it blows away. That's the American way.

I hate the typically American though process. Bigger = better and we want new & cheap! You even see it in Iphones... they really try to get a new iphone in your hands every year. I got my first iphone a couple years back (5s) and it still is more than enough for me but soon they will stop supporting it (i think as of january that stops) which pretty much makes everyone upgrade. It appears they are trying to drop the support of the 6 soon as well.

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I lived in the apartment complex that was hit during that storm. My building was not affected but it damaged some of the units around me. Flattened the brand new neighborhood next to my complex. All new construction and they just blew to pieces. There was a little old house that was in the path that is still standing to this day. I blew the bulk if not all killed in that storm were from that neighborhood. it left a bad taste in my mouth for new construction. Hell "brick" homes are not even true brick homes anymore, its a fake outside layer on the home.

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YaY! I love the contents of your built in closet! Perhaps you could explain the purpose of those 12" diameter black discs, for the benefit of the younger generation?!

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Here's a picture I DIDN'T take a couple of years ago.

I was driving from the Bainbridge Home Depot to Solon Carter Lumber on Route 43, which is roughly the area where Ken lives, and I came upon a guy driving his 1929 Ford Model T, pulled off to the side of the road. He had recently bought the 90 year old auto and was taking it out for a spin. The thing had overheated, so he stopped to add water. When he tried to get back on the road, it wouldn't start. I didn't have jumper cables, and it's possible it was a 6 volt system. Either way, he was waiting for somebody else who could help him out.

Frankly, you get an opportunity to talk to a Model T owner stopped on the side of the road about as often as you do a moped owner.

It was one of those rare times I didn't have my phone with me.

I guess it has nothing to do with mopeds, other than it happened near a fellow MA member''s house.

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