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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

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> > If these do become the “toy shoved in the corner of the garage and

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> > forgotten” like many mopeds did, the missing electronic key will

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> Making it different than any other toy with a newer chip key? It can be

> replaced just as easily, if not more expensive. I would wager that they

> have a backup hard key as well. My car has one, albeit inside the fob

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There is no key. Just a fob.

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Dirty30 Dillon /

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> Electric for everyday use and the common user is a LONG WAY off. Don't

> kid yerselves………………………... Gasoline is here to stay.

On my commute I pass probably 30 electric bikes. Just because electric doesn't seem worth it out in the country, doesn't mean that people in more populated areas haven't already made the switch.

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> There is no key. Just a fob.

Yes, I am aware. I only have a fob as well. My point was that a fob or a chip encoded key, either one lost has the same effect. However vehicles that have only a fob will have a backup physical key. Whether that physical key is for a dead battery or a lost fob is a question. A brand new vehicle is coming with two anyway. Personally I'm kind of tired of having to chain my vehicles up to any immovable object and not worry about somebody walking off with it because it does not have a key. Trying to reject the advancing technology that makes things safer and more worry-free is really pointless. Clearly road legal two-wheeled vehicle should just have a kill switch and a hidden wire somewhere that somebody has undone so that it won't start. Or maybe we all just pull the spark plug boot off when we park and hope people are too stupid to figure out why the bike with no key lock ran to travel there but doesn't now. (edited)

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Y'all missing the point really hard. these are no doubt going to be reliable as hell. and fixing stuff yourself is for hobbyists - like us. the new cub is for urban commuters, and people who buy new things - not work on old ones... it's also definitely intended to spur interest in new riders, and enable a simple transition to shift. it's a super easy ride, like riding a bicycle except you don't have to pedal and you brake and shift with your foot instead of the other hand...

but it requires a moto license, great call there

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TOP GUN™ ANDY ⚔ (LSLB) ⚔ /

I think they're sick as hell tbh. I may even consider selling my beloved Elite to get one.

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I do like the idea of being able to sneak up on folks as one of the 'benefits' of electric drive , but ...

As long as I'm alive there will be internal combustion engines .

After that , I probably won't care much .

I'll leave my antique bikes to the grand kids or possibly great grand kids to play with and I'd expect they would eventually fit a completely different propulsion 'device' / motor . Maybe not . ;)

It really doesn't matter . Everything changes , always .

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yeah man anyone who doesn't think that electric is coming- and fast- might as well be living in a trailer in the desert smoking meth.

i've worked in the auto industry as an engineer for 4 years now, everyone is scrambling as fast as they can to go full electric within 5-10 years. VW just today announced that they are planning to release their last gas cars in 2026.

this is like talking to someone in 1999 about digital vs. film cameras only its going to happen way bigger and way faster.

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> yeah man anyone who doesn't think that electric is coming- and fast-

> might as well be living in a trailer in the desert smoking meth.

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> i've worked in the auto industry as an engineer for 4 years now,

> everyone is scrambling as fast as they can to go full electric within

> 5-10 years. VW just today announced that they are planning to release

> their last gas cars in 2026.

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> this is like talking to someone in 1999 about digital vs. film cameras

> only its going to happen way bigger and way faster.

It might happen in a socialist country, Graham, but not here. I'm not in a minority wanting to keep my gasoline engines as any socialists will find out. I said gasoline is here to stay. Like PD I'm talking next 30 yrs. or so.

Sure,there'll be electric vehicle increase, but they can't get past people wanting dependable CHEAP transportation,like gasoline vehicles. Notice I never said 2-strokes are here to stay?

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Don, its the people like you are the reason why things that need to change don't without a lot of fighting. Stupid-old-selfish-bigoted-white-men, who don't give a shit about anything but their own ideals.

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@ Graham, cool you are involved with this, just curious as to what the auto industry is doing electric car/truck wise for the very cold regions of the country? Batteries and cold have never been a great mix, especially with regards to heating the cabin, and would be my only hesitation to buying one, it gets f-ing cold here, and I don't want all my range eaten up heating the car, the Leaf was a fail here because of that, I know 3 people who bought them and sold them after one winter.

My only gripe with the Cub is the trans, I see it as a potential turn off to new riders vs a cvt system, but Honda is selling world wide, not just to shifting challenged America. If the Electric Cub were to go on sale and its range was something I could commute on it could well be the first "new" vehicle I would have ever bought, though knowing myself I would wait a year for used to become available. :)

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well that's the nice thing about capitalism, it doesn't really care whether you believe in it or not. once people have better choices they will vote with their feet and wallets.

you can be like me and still use a flip phone in 2018 but when you jump in a pool with it in your pocket and your wireless carrier won't activate a phone now without the app installed.... capitalism will force you into making a decision.

i think the film camera analogy is pretty apt. You can still shoot 35mm if you want to but very few people choose to do that, the economy of scale has shifted and film stock is harder and more expensive to get, etc. 10 years from now, gasoline passenger cars are going to look like that whether or not you believe in it.

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> @ Graham, cool you are involved with this, just curious as to what the

> auto industry is doing electric car/truck wise for the very cold regions

> of the country?

I don't have any firsthand experience with that stuff, but when the second gen prius and camry hybrid came out they were using a fully electric heat pump for air conditioning. it was actually very awesome because you could sit in traffic with your engine off and rather than fighting engine heat in the car, the car only has to remove ambient heat.

my guess is that they would use a system like that and make it work both directions to both heat-and-cool, maybe using a heat exchanger to draw heat from the electric motor cooling system.

i did some work on EV cooling systems at my last job and depending on how they are designed, under high loads they can reject a lot of heat, nearly as much as a IC engine into the cooling system (obviously not counting exhaust)

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> My only gripe with the Cub is the trans, I see it as a potential turn

> off to new riders vs a cvt system, but Honda is selling world wide, not

> just to shifting challenged America. If the Electric Cub were to go on

> sale and its range was something I could commute on it could well be the

> first "new" vehicle I would have ever bought, though knowing myself I

> would wait a year for used to become available. :)

I think it's intentional, and a good call. CVT has a market, and it's scooters. People with scooters don't often move out of that comfort zone, but Honda was very successful in coaxing their ruckus fan base onto shifty bikes, opening a whole new loyal motorcycle market, via the grom.

I'm pretty involved with the other end of the electric cars - the battery side. seems to me a lot of the folks are waiting to see how the legislation will fall, especially with the very volatile current political climate - vehicles especially are very global, parts produced everywhere and assembled etc, and it's even more true of batteries, so tarrifs are a big concern, as is incentives, where some places are taking active roles in accelerating the technology, others stand poised to directly oppose progress.

But also the technology is accelerating quickly. a battery made today may be much better than one from 2 years ago, and certainly very superior to 10 years ago.

Electric makes a ton of sense, even on a major geopolitical scale - energy independence etc. So even those who aren't traditionally on the progressive side of things are likely to find reasons to support it.

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State of California population in 1978 was approx 22.8 million and today is twice that. All for an infrastructure designed over 15 years earlier than 1978. So the density of frustrated and or impaired drivers of autos and trucks all pissed off about something is now quite high. At least a true moped or ebike is free to navigate where they please. The added freature of an ebike is that anything including someone's front lawn is easily doable. The cub sure will be on the bike lane if there is any at some point.

But for folks that live in way less density but aren't subject to the necessityof overcrowded secondary roads and can zip around on quiet country lanes well damn that cub sounds perfect, as is nearly anything.

I confess to doing almost all my two wheeled activity's on mountain bikes or e mountain bikes. I love wrenching on my mopeds and who doesn't love the sounds and smells of well behaving two strokes. And a direct injection four stroke Honda. That's about as far as technology on a fossil fuel two wheeler is going to get so it's an icon unto itself and worthy of any collection. I guess the Jetsons will have a fuel cell version. Everything in the future is going to be electric. Regardless of what want to believe or not to BELIEVE re climate change ..by the time our grandkiddies get something I guarantee it won't be fossil fuel unless the co2 active sequestration and liquid co2 is pumped into a broth where photosynthesis is hijacked into growing fuel directly becomes the standard to reverse the 200 plus years of the industrial revolution and the subsequent blossoming of billions of humans.

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@ Graham, interesting, I thought the heat in the Hybreds came from the IC engine, learn something new every day, with that tech a full Electric will make inroads here! @ Will, I see your point re: shifting, and I'm not bothered by it,(shifting) though I would prefer a cvt, OR a real clutch system, but again Honda is not just concerned about the American market. I was just thinking in terms of a first time rider of any 2 wheeler.

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Stephen, as i understand it still does, the Leaf was probably using a resistance heater.

The big problem for the volt, leaf, etc... similar to the first iphone or anything else forging new ground, just getting the electric powertrain is so expensive that you have to really cut corners everywhere else. Thats where Tesla and Prius kinda broke the mold, higher end features and a super-premium price point.

i'm sure once the powertrains come down in cost you'll find better accouterments everywhere else.

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Fuck mopeds. And cars. And your electric gas. I'm going to become a Tibetan goat herder. Goats will never be electric.

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If u r not Han ethnicity and probably a member of the party u wont get the goats to herd. Locals are probably heading for "reeducation"

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Captain Janeway /

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> Fuck mopeds. And cars. And your electric gas. I'm going to become a

> Tibetan goat herder. Goats will never be electric.

lol

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> Don, its the people like you are the reason why things that need to

> change don't without a lot of fighting.

> Stupid-old-selfish-bigoted-white-men, who don't give a shit about

> anything but their own ideals.

That's the trouble with the greenie lefties...…….they think they know everything and won't consider anything else. LOL!

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AND while we're at it...……………..have they solved this question?

http://www.emfwise.com/low-emf-cars.php

Also these people question the EMF.

https://emfacademy.com/emf-radiation-in-cars/ (edited)

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> Fuck mopeds. And cars. And your electric gas. I'm going to become a

> Tibetan goat herder. Goats will never be electric.

You've just never seen one on the charger before.

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> That's the trouble with the greenie lefties...…….they think they know

> everything and won't consider anything else. LOL!

I for sure don't know everything, but I do know that you're a tool.

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And a dull and damaged one at that.

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> That's the trouble with the greenie lefties...…….they think they know

> everything and won't consider anything else. LOL!

Pot, kettle and black, Mr Christian.

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Don it wasn't left socialists that rusted out Midwest manufacturing, no Don it was I imagine your hero ,one Ronald Reagan who was willing to deindustiralize in order to rid the Midwest of the lefties. So yeah he was the prime mover. Ohio and the red States didn't need to be climate change deniers. No, they could be manufacturing the green solutions to a host of problems that others are more than happy to oblige to create. Many in Ohio want to be making this future not a carburator that no longer will have a use.

Mopeds are the perfect way to celebrate the coming demise of burning carbon based energy that should have remained under the Earth's surface forever. They sound like fire crackers and make u feel like u r riding like the wind. I am enjoying what I expect will be the last roars of it all.

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> Stephen, as i understand it still does, the Leaf was probably using a

> resistance heater.

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> The big problem for the volt, leaf, etc... similar to the first iphone

> or anything else forging new ground, just getting the electric

> powertrain is so expensive that you have to really cut corners

> everywhere else. Thats where Tesla and Prius kinda broke the mold,

> higher end features and a super-premium price point.

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> i'm sure once the powertrains come down in cost you'll find better

> accouterments everywhere else.

You are right, it was at least in the models I saw a resistance heater. I agree with everything you said, with the possible exception of calling a heater an accouterment, in climates like mine it is an essential item, like headlights and seatbelts/airbags. I believe places like MN and other ice belt states will be the last holdout of the IC engine, but for the most part an electric car would serve at least 80% of drivers well, people don't "love" cars any more, they are slaves to them, a car that needed no coolant, no oil changes, no transmission would suit them just fine, it would save on all the used fluids, recycling, lots of great about them. I would have a hard time enjoying one, but not buying one, just boring to me. :) It's coming, we ought to just accept it, gas cars will be for hobbyists, like mopeds and steam powered cars are now.

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Haven't heard anything about EMF yet...……………...just swallow the lies,did you all?

Better do some research. Put yer faith in the Greenies and you'll all be led down the garden path. Lying means nothing to them,as long as they get their way. Just like the VW management fooling the EPA people,but EVENTUALLY getting caught, you're buying into foolishness.

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Dirty30 Dillon /

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> Haven't heard anything about EMF yet...……………...just swallow the lies,did

> you all?

Lol @ EMF, as Don sits in front of his computer or phone.

EVERYTHING IS BAD FOR YOU. If you think minor radiation from EMF effecting people on an individual scale is worse than global climate change, you're an idiot.

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Calling names don't make it so,Dirty D.

You're so called climate change has always been. You just accept the lie that we cause it. Just keep gulping down the camel and straining out the gnat.

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