I been helping a friend getting her 89 Tim is silver bullet running. I inspected the tank ,RUST! WTF! I got it running so every winter should I cap off the bottom of her tank and fill it to the top and drain and dump in the spring?
I been helping a friend getting her 89 Tim is silver bullet running. I inspected the tank ,RUST! WTF! I got it running so every winter should I cap off the bottom of her tank and fill it to the top and drain and dump in the spring?
If it's running premix , just close the petcock and top off the tank , tighten the cap in place .
If straight gas , add oil and do the same as with premix .
If you want to get rid of some rust :
( I should just boiler plate this )
I rec'd my order of wood bleach ( Oxalic Acid ) and thought it best to test it before I subjected my fuel tank for rust removal .
I mixed a rather mild solution for the test . Here are some before and after pics :
Before :
After :
The parts looked almost this good after just a couple of hours bath , but I left them in over night to see if the deep reaches would be 'taken care of ' . The pulley was totally rusted .
I pulled the parts and rinsed them in a bath of hot water , then let them dry . The Oxalic acid seems to eat rust and leave a protective coating . I wiped some of that coating off the rear brake plate . Also note that the acid does not effect painted parts ( a big plus ) .
This was an experiment for me . My Simplex had a bit of rust forming in the gas tank . Not too bad considering the bike is 55 years old . I'd read that different acids worked for removing rust .
I used muriatic acid to clean my XT350 tank with decent results . That tank did flash rust and I retreated it and then neutralized the acid ASAP . It still formed a small amount of flash rust . I'm running it with an in line paper fuel filter and haven't had any problems .
The Simplex tank is a bit more rare and harder to find . I was reluctant to use muriatic acid in it for those reasons . Through research , I read about oxalic acid , sold as wood bleach . Oxalic acid is a lot safer to work with , but still requires due caution ( READ THE LABEL ) . It's not nearly as toxic as muriatic acid . It does NOT harm painted surfaces . It just eats rust and leaves a protective coating on the steel after being thoroughly rinsed with water .
I used a diluted mixture from what is suggested , which is 12 ounces to 1 gallon of water . I used 12 ounces to 2 gallons of water . Being as the solution was weaker , I left the mixture in the tank twice as long and the results are shown below .
This is what I used :
Here's the rusted tank :
And, here's the tank after being filled with oxalic acid for a couple of days :
This stuff really does work great .
Wow! I been reading all topics today , nothing on oxalyic acid impressed. Think ill try it. Thanks a lot !
I've been using it for about 3 years now. It's very effective.
I always used toliet bowl cleaner, the works. Dollar general should have it. It will quick and can eat holes in metal. So be careful.
> Mo Peds Wrote:
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> I always used toliet bowl cleaner, the works. Dollar general should have
> it. It will quick and can eat holes in metal. So be careful.
That's some pretty caustic stuff . Definitely be careful .
Not sure if baking soda neutralizes the acid or if something else is needed .
And , have some heavily oiled premix ready to hopefully hold the flash rust to a minimum . (edited)
I think I asked you before P D, but did the leftover coating from the Oxalic cause any problems? If it didn't, was it just a case of rinsing with water,drying and putting in some premix?
> Ryan Graeme Wrote:
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> I think I asked you before P D, but did the leftover coating from the
> Oxalic cause any problems? If it didn't, was it just a case of rinsing
> with water,drying and putting in some premix?
The smokey looking coating left after rinsing the oxalic acid did not present any problems in either bike tank I did
I just poured premix in the Simplex tank and gasoline into the XT tank , once all water had been dried out .
And , no problems on the outside of loose parts .
I did wipe clean any surfaces of parts that required paint and any unpainted surfaces got a shot of oil or anti-seize ( bolt/screw threads and such ) .
i also do the toilet bowl cleaner method it works awesome for rusted tanks and is super cheap. smells like shit. also BEWARE eats nonferrous metals
I did the vinegar followed by baking soda method I found on here. Worked wonders on my tank.
Cleaning my tank out did clog my petcock though
> Jon Herr Wrote:
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> I did the vinegar followed by baking soda method I found on here. Worked
> wonders on my tank.
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> Cleaning my tank out did clog my petcock though
I'm guessing that you forgot to remove the petcock prior to the vinegar treatment .
PD, thanks for the help, I started the oxalic acid clean out today!
PD took the Tomos out Saturday .. running great , lotta shit was in that tank! Thanks again!
Good you got it going . ;)
What was the acid ratio you used? Por how many ounces?
I was too lazy to read the whole article the first time. 12oz per gallon! Sorry
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