No spark...Bad coil? (pic)

Acually had some time to wrench on the rizzato and i cleaned the carb and it's all good. Float needle is perfect.

But now i'm not getting any spark. Could it be that the coil is bad? It only has 600 miles and the points look good. It doesn't run at all of course. I was pedaling and holding the spark plug and not getting shocked. Does a coil go bad?

thanks for any help.

chad

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Unlikely

They almost never go bad.

You want to make yourself feel bad ?

Spend $30 and buy a new coil and it still doesn't spark.

Its the points (usually).

They need a thorough cleaning.

Click on 'resuorces' above.. then 'articles'... then scroll down to "cleaning and setting the points".

Just clean them for now like it says... it will spark (as long as all the wires are hooked up right).

Re: Unlikely

I had no spark on my vespa and it was a burned out wire in the magneto.If all else fails keep this in mind, bruce

Re: No spark...Bad coil? (pic)

Ron Brown /

Chad,

In case Fred's excellent (as usual) advice does not result in a spark, here are some generic instructions for checking the ignition system.

Ron

If you have a vom, check the ignition components as follows:

Disconect the wires from the points. One of these wires goes to the magneto ignition power coil. You should read a low resistance to ground on this wire, 1-2 ohms.

Another wire goes to the condensor, read this to ground on RXMAX, that is your highest resistance range, the needle should kick, then settle down to infinity. Reverse the vom leads, same thing should happen.

Another wire goes to the ignition coil primary, this connection is also connected to the kill switch. Disconnect the kill switch wire only from the ignition coil, the wire to the coil should read 1-2 ohms to ground.

From the wire to the kill switch, to ground, you should read infinity with the switch in "run" and 0 ohms with the switch in "stop".

Connect the vom from ground to the wire terminal on the points and make sure they are 0 ohms when closed and infinity when open. This seems dumb, but sometimes points that look clean do not connect.

Re-attach all of the wires to the points. Disconnect the wire from the points at the ignition coil. Measure this with the vom, it should read near 0 ohms. If your meter is sensitive enough, you should see a slight deflection of the pointer as the points open and close.

With the vom still attached and set to about 12v DC range, spin the motor by hand. You should see some deflection of the meter needle.

Pull your plug (spark, that is) and make sure the piston is at or very near the top of it's stroke when the points open.

Re-connect the coil wire. Measure from the plug cap to ground, you should read 5-15k ohms. If this is infinity, unscrew the plug cap from the wire and read through it. This should be 5-15k ohms, if it is open, replace it, if greater than 15k ohms, it may still work, but replace it with a paper clip for test starting then re-install it after you get the ped running.

Read from the end of the plug wire to ground through the coil, you should see 1-5k ohms. If this is infinity, the coil is bad.

Lastly, using the ohmsX1 scale, verify that all of the grounds really are.

None of these tests are guaranteed to indicate a problem, especially where you read coil resistances and they seem ok. Substitution is the best test here.

To test the coil, connect a spark plug from the plug wire to coil ground, connect an ignition condensor (any will do for this test) between the points terminal and coil ground. Connect the negative of a 6V battery to coil ground and touch the points terminal momentarily with the positive lead. This should give you a spark at the plug.

Re: No spark...Bad coil? (pic)

thanks alot ron, i'm gonna print this out and test it this next weekend

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