The prices are fair. Try to get the seller, to sell it to you for less. Go get that Puch now. If you do want it, you will move fast to get it. You should not care if there is a rain storm, go get it now. If you waste time, and do not get the Puch, and it sells to another person, the Kinetic is a fair deal too. Do not let the haters tell you the Kinetic is not good. Make sure the Kinetic has spark, is one of the most important thing with them. Buy one of them before they sell. Ask for a title, or get them to give you a bill of sale.