PORTED MY CYLINDER

chuck russo va /

well i used the new dremal tool i got for christmas and i ported my cylinder for my 87 tomos top tank and when i was putting it back togather my idiot friend pedaled backwards and the piston chiped so tomarrow im gonna get a new piston and test the port work

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I was unaware peddaling backward could damage your bike--- is this normal?

regulars--please post more info about this-- I'm 'green' on this subject

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I know a 4 stroke can run backwards if the right cam is put in

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hey wayne, you have to pedal backwards to start a tomos...

but i dont know what "porting" a cylinder is, so... now i'm the green one!

=]

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XBrandon EdgeX /

Pedalling backwards on a tomos starts the engine. He said he was putting it back together (perhaps had the piston attached but not the cylinder or head) and his idiot friend pedaled backwards, causing the engine to turn over, and the piston probably clipped the edge of the crankcase.

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Crisis--Cincinnati /

I'm with casey, what is porting your cylinder?

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chuck russo (VA) /

the cylinder wasnt bolted down and my friend pedaled backwards and it caught the case and took a nice size chunk out of the piston

porting a cylinder is opening up the intake and exhuast ports so they flow better and it will give u a increase in torque and power

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I chipped a piston on a 77 puch newport trying to get it unseized but i got it out and there was a pretty good sized chunk taken out of the skirt of the piston so i filed it down so there weren't any sharp edges and put some kinda decent rings on it and put it back together and now it runs great! I figured i didn't really have anything to lose, i found the thing in the trash

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So Chuck, you just took a dremmel and made the port, (that the intake manifold bolts to), a little bigger? Am I correct? I haven't heard of that mod before.

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Hey chuck, if you were so inclined, I think we could use some pictures-- do you have a cam? I've got all winter to work on my moped, and my father in law just got a new dremmel

Porting an engine

Damn I feel old and crusty, porting is when you take a little material out of the ports on the engine. Ports are the passage ways that the fuel/air and exhaust go thru. The idea is to increase the size of the passage to let everything flow better. In some engines it helps to have the ports smooth, to eliminate turbulance, in others you want it rough to increase the turbulance. This depends on the engine, and how good your carb. is at mixing the fuel and air.

Porting if done wrong can REALLY mess up an engine, especially a 2-cycle, because the timing of the intake and exhaust relies completly on the size and location of your ports in the piston wall. Also, it's really bad to get aluminum shavings and dust in an engine, so you have to really clean it up when you'r done.

Most of the time when you port an engine you clean up the casting flash and the rough texture left by the sand-casting process. This is relativly easy if you take it really slow and carefull.

The other "trick" is to gasket-match your head and engine. You take a gasket and trace the inside profile on each peice that mates together. You then remove material untill you reach the line that you traced and blend in the area untill it is smooth, with no abrupt changes. This creates a smooth transition for the gasses as they go from one part to annother.

Some advice- don't do this unless you have at least one spare engine that you are willing to turn into a PERMANENT door stop. It's really easy to get carried away, and before you know it, you have gone thru the side of the engine, or messed up a bearing-surface. You may even acidentially take out a strengthening rib, wich will cause a crack, or open up a bolt-hole from the back side. The piont is, before you start dremeling away, make sure that you know where everything is supposed to be, and don't screw up what already works.

Actually from the mopeds that I've dealt with, most of them can't really be improved from the original. (it's an almost perfect machine to begin with) That's why most of you havn't heard of porting, in relation to mopeds, anyway.

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I had my head off of my honda elite 250 and also got a new dremel tool. I cleaned up the ports on it too. Inside of the ports was very rough. A seam even existed in there. It was like a speedbump for the gas and air mixture I bet. I ground all that down and made it as ssmooth and shiny as possible. I didn't want to get carried away so I left it at that. I'm hoping the smoothness makes a difference in how it runs and performs.

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Don, hopefully that "speed bump" wasn't there for a reason. :)

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I had an Yamaha IT175 ported and polished years ago...Made a huge difference by increasing power through the RPM band...However, like mbartell said...I wouldn't do it unless you really know what you are doing...Then again moped cylinders and pistons are not that expensive (As long as they're not Japanese)...

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chuck russo (VA) /

i have a digital cam but it is very shity, i will attempt to take a few pictures of my port work if they come out clear i will post them. i opened the ports up and they look like they will flow alot better, i ported my old bad cylinder first to get the hang of it and to see what it would look like then when i was satisfied with it i ported my good cylinder

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