Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra Club

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Despite your sarcasm and expertise with a ruler, your simplistic transportation assumptions are incorrect.

The vast majority of the ships arriving in Hawaii are coming from the U.S. west coast. Go to the harbor and check. There generally isn't enough shipping volume in any one particular commodity to justify eastbound traffic stopping in Hawaii on the way to the U.S. Most everything you see on the shelves in your grocery store came from the U.S. And a large percentage of the stuff from Japan, Taiwan, China, et al, come to Hawaii via the U.S. west coast.

Most environazis I challenge rarely consider the true costs of their choices. The true benefit often is not to the environment, but to the egos of the players. All the folks who think they're doing GOOD by home recycling do not stop to think of the environmental costs of having an extra set of garbage trucks driving around town, the second being dedicated solely to collecting the recyclables. The boneheads who hounded McDonald's into replacing the old styrofoam clamshell containers with cardboard because the former do not biodegrade as quickly failed to consider that NEITHER material degrades quickly once buried in a landfill. And the paper-producing process is many times dirtier than the styrofoam process. But this doesn't matter to these people. It's perception first, reality a distant second.

Wayne may be a bit caustic in his remarks, but he's absolutely right about one thing: If you really want to help the environment, get the hell off Hawaii. Stop polluting a delicate tropical environment while simultaneously placing huge burdens on the world's transportation systems relative to the rest of us.

Your environmental sensitivity is noble in spirit, I suppose, but it's only feel-good environmentalism when you examine it more closely. If it makes you sleep better at night, good for you. But it doesn't give you sufficient credibility to preach.

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  why your moped saves our environment.Topic by: Ryan J Ryan J 12/23/01 10:20PM
  Where is your proof ?????Re: Fred Fred 12/23/01 11:00PM
  Re: Where is your proof ?????Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/23/01 11:50PM
  Re: Where is your proof ?????Re: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/24/01 11:39AM
  too much oil = seizure?Re: Chris S Chris S 12/24/01 12:05PM
  Re: too much oil = seizure?Re: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/24/01 12:44PM
  More oil means leaner air to gas ratio...believe iRe: Fred Fred 12/24/01 12:52PM
  More oil means leaner air/gas ratio..believe itRe: Fred Fred 12/24/01 12:56PM
  Stop it!Re: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/24/01 01:23PM
  Re: More oil means leaner air/gas ratio..believe iRe: Chris S Chris S 12/24/01 05:10PM
  Re: More oil means leaner air to gas ratio...belieRe: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/24/01 01:19PM
  Re: Where is your proof ?????Re: Nick Nick 12/24/01 02:05PM
  Re: Where is your proof ?????Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 02:41PM
  simple mathRe: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 12:12AM
  Fred's Right.Re: Wayne Wayne 12/24/01 12:27AM
  Re: Fred's Right.Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 01:29AM
  Moped=Eco friendly?Re: Wayne Wayne 12/24/01 02:19AM
  Re: Moped=Eco friendly?Re: Crisis Crisis 12/24/01 10:08AM
  Re: Moped=Eco friendly?Re: Tom(MO) Tom(MO) 12/24/01 10:22AM
  Re: Moped=Eco friendly?Re: Chris Chris 12/24/01 10:37AM
  Re: Moped=Eco friendly?Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 01:30PM
  You're still blowin smoke (get it? bahaha!)Re: Fred Fred 12/24/01 03:46PM
  Re: You're still blowin smoke (get it? bahaha!)Re: miguel miguel 12/24/01 04:49PM
  bicyclesRe: Fred Fred 12/24/01 07:06PM
  Re: bicyclesRe: Wayne Wayne 12/24/01 07:18PM
  Re: bicyclesRe: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 11:39PM
  Re: bicyclesRe: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/25/01 10:44AM
  Re: bicyclesRe: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/25/01 10:42AM
  Re: bicyclesRe: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 09:33PM
  Re: You're still blowin smoke (get it? bahaha!)Re: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/24/01 05:46PM
  Re: You're still blowin smoke (get it? bahaha!)Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 07:02PM
  Well then...Re: Fred Fred 12/24/01 07:20PM
  And another thing...Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 07:11PM
  elevatorRe: Wayne Wayne 12/24/01 07:20PM
  Re: elevatorRe: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/25/01 10:38AM
  Re: Well then...Re: miguel miguel 12/24/01 11:10PM
  Re: Well then...Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 11:37PM
  Re: More oil means leaner air/gas ratio..believe iRe: js js 12/24/01 06:03PM
  I am assigning you extra homeworkRe: The Moped Gawd The Moped Gawd 12/24/01 06:34PM
  Re: More oil means leaner air/gas ratio..believe iRe: Jimmy Jimmy 12/26/01 07:20PM
  Re: A real solutionRe: Jim C. Jim C. 12/25/01 10:38PM
  Re: A real solutionRe: Ryan J Ryan J 12/26/01 01:11AM
  Re: A real solutionRe: XBrandon EdgeX XBrandon EdgeX 12/26/01 01:12PM
  Re: why your moped saves our environment.Re: Jim Jim 06/12/02 05:14PM
  Re: why your moped saves our environment.Re: Chris Rice Chris Rice 06/12/02 05:28PM
  My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: John Lieberman John Lieberman 06/12/02 05:49PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Fred Fred 06/12/02 06:50PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 07:07PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Brandon Eliason Brandon Eliason 06/12/02 07:37PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 07:11PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Fred Fred 06/12/02 07:16PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 07:25PM
  new 4 strokesRe: Fred Fred 06/12/02 07:50PM
  Re: new 4 strokesRe: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 07:55PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Jim Jim 06/12/02 07:32PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Fred Fred 06/12/02 07:45PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Jim Jim 06/12/02 08:32PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: JD JD 06/12/02 09:03PM
  Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: Wayne Wayne 06/12/02 10:31PM
  Re: Breeder reactor (correction)Re: Wayne Wayne 06/12/02 10:50PM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 12:22AM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: gimmyjimmy gimmyjimmy 06/13/02 08:48AM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: Toehead Toehead 06/13/02 08:23PM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: JD JD 06/13/02 09:28AM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 09:57AM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: JD JD 06/13/02 11:33AM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 12:03PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 09:18PM
  2 strokes ... villain or victim ?Re: Fred Fred 06/12/02 10:12PM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Wayne Wayne 06/13/02 10:24AM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 10:41AM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Ron Brown Ron Brown 06/13/02 11:04AM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 11:47AM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Wayne Wayne 06/13/02 11:06AM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Toehead Toehead 06/13/02 08:32PM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Brad c cool Brad c cool 06/15/02 11:50PM
  Re: TauntingRe: Wayne Wayne 06/16/02 05:10PM
  Re: Jim www.epa.govRe: Wayne Wayne 06/12/02 09:59PM
  Re: Jim www.epa.govRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 12:47AM
  2-strokes = really bad for environmentRe: brian p brian p 06/13/02 12:06PM
  Re: 2-strokes = really bad for environmentRe: Jamie Leonard Jamie Leonard 06/14/02 10:45AM
  HEY FREDRe: duck duck 06/12/02 07:26PM
  Re: HEY DUCK !!Re: Fred Fred 06/12/02 07:43PM
  Re: HEY DUCK !!Re: chuck russo va chuck russo va 06/13/02 11:12AM
  Re: HEY DUCK !!Re: Chris Rice Chris Rice 06/13/02 12:23PM
  Re: HEY DUCK !!Re: Kurt Kurt 06/13/02 03:39PM
  8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Wayne Wayne 06/13/02 04:15PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: Jim C. Jim C. 06/13/02 05:01PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: Wayne Wayne 06/14/02 04:25PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: Jamie Leonard Jamie Leonard 06/14/02 04:29PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: JD JD 06/14/02 04:32PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: Jamie Leonard Jamie Leonard 06/14/02 04:40PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: Jim Jim 06/14/02 05:38PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: duck duck 06/13/02 05:14PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Jim Jim 06/13/02 07:32PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Toehead Toehead 06/13/02 08:47PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Jim Jim 06/13/02 09:15PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Toehead Toehead 06/13/02 09:30PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Jim Jim 06/14/02 04:34AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Toehead Toehead 06/14/02 07:41AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Jim Jim 06/14/02 08:26AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: JD JD 06/14/02 08:31AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: david f martin david f martin 06/13/02 09:47PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Toehead Toehead 06/13/02 09:49PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Ron Brown Ron Brown 06/14/02 09:52AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Toehead Toehead 06/14/02 11:52AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: duck duck 06/14/02 01:21AM
  what about hte buik?Re: duck duck 06/14/02 01:29AM
  Re: I give upRe: Jim C. Jim C. 06/14/02 10:05AM
  Re: I give upRe: Steve Steve 06/16/02 06:09PM
  Re: TauntingRe: david f martin david f martin 06/16/02 05:19PM

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