Moped=Eco friendly?

Wayne /
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Ryan,

Your response cracked me up. actually, I'll admit, I sort of agree with both of you. Here's some detail, about my opinion on the matter(s), it's more complex than you indicated in your initial post.

Moped:

One:

Less parts, easily repairable with simple, somewhat inexpensive parts. The less "manufacturing" that needs to happen, "Pre-consumer" in less energy consumption.

for Example, my TOMOS has less 'manufacturing' than a new Lexus. Before you've even bought it, it has consumed a TON of resources.

Two:

riding a machine with pedals is good for the environment. This is my 'philosophical' point of view. Even if you never actually pedal your moped anywhere, the fact that it has pedals will make some people think "Alternate" which may have a "trickle-down" effect and make people look at solar or wind, even if they don't actually get a moped.

Three:

Mopeds do not have, consume, or use up batteries, generally speaking. Lead acid batteries are a huge environmental issue. cars go through several in their life span.

Four:

Mopeds use less gas, and take up less parking--this reduces the area which needs to be ruined with paving, cement and asphalt. Something like 10% of our country is 'paved'. It costs money and miles of 'blacktop' must contribute to global warming (which is happening with or without human help anyway)

Five:

volume of fluid. Most people think of comparing a "perfectly tuned" brand new vehicle vs. a brand new "perfectly tuned" moped. I also like to consider older vehicles. An SUV that has fallen into disrepair and is leaking coolant, transmission fluid, or oil, or brake fluid. Let's assume this vehicle has a "real bad day" It blows a brake line and overheats (because all your oil and transmission fluid has leaked out...) worst case scenario, this crappy SUV has just dumped several gallons of toxic chemicals where they will probably flow into a storm drain.

If you don't think things like that happen, you've never tried to keep a 400$ car running for four or five years.

Now, on the other hand, your moped has TOTAL TERMINAL SYSTEM FAILURE---You might leave a mess, but nowhere near the pollution potential of a larger vehicle that is breaking down.

But, there is no question that moped exhaust contains lots of bad things, and it's a FACT that moped exhaust is worse than a tuned up car. That seems to have been Ryans main point, and I think he's missing the larger picture. We've talked a lot about this here before, and I think we (all the regulars) agree that moped exhaust is nasty stuff.

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  why your moped saves our environment.Topic by: Ryan J Ryan J 12/23/01 10:20PM
  Where is your proof ?????Re: Fred Fred 12/23/01 11:00PM
  Re: Where is your proof ?????Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/23/01 11:50PM
  Re: Where is your proof ?????Re: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/24/01 11:39AM
  too much oil = seizure?Re: Chris S Chris S 12/24/01 12:05PM
  Re: too much oil = seizure?Re: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/24/01 12:44PM
  More oil means leaner air to gas ratio...believe iRe: Fred Fred 12/24/01 12:52PM
  More oil means leaner air/gas ratio..believe itRe: Fred Fred 12/24/01 12:56PM
  Stop it!Re: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/24/01 01:23PM
  Re: More oil means leaner air/gas ratio..believe iRe: Chris S Chris S 12/24/01 05:10PM
  Re: More oil means leaner air to gas ratio...belieRe: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/24/01 01:19PM
  Re: Where is your proof ?????Re: Nick Nick 12/24/01 02:05PM
  Re: Where is your proof ?????Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 02:41PM
  simple mathRe: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 12:12AM
  Fred's Right.Re: Wayne Wayne 12/24/01 12:27AM
  Re: Fred's Right.Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 01:29AM
  Moped=Eco friendly?Re: Wayne Wayne 12/24/01 02:19AM
  Re: Moped=Eco friendly?Re: Crisis Crisis 12/24/01 10:08AM
  Re: Moped=Eco friendly?Re: Tom(MO) Tom(MO) 12/24/01 10:22AM
  Re: Moped=Eco friendly?Re: Chris Chris 12/24/01 10:37AM
  Re: Moped=Eco friendly?Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 01:30PM
  You're still blowin smoke (get it? bahaha!)Re: Fred Fred 12/24/01 03:46PM
  Re: You're still blowin smoke (get it? bahaha!)Re: miguel miguel 12/24/01 04:49PM
  bicyclesRe: Fred Fred 12/24/01 07:06PM
  Re: bicyclesRe: Wayne Wayne 12/24/01 07:18PM
  Re: bicyclesRe: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 11:39PM
  Re: bicyclesRe: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/25/01 10:44AM
  Re: bicyclesRe: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/25/01 10:42AM
  Re: bicyclesRe: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 09:33PM
  Re: You're still blowin smoke (get it? bahaha!)Re: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/24/01 05:46PM
  Re: You're still blowin smoke (get it? bahaha!)Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 07:02PM
  Well then...Re: Fred Fred 12/24/01 07:20PM
  And another thing...Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 07:11PM
  elevatorRe: Wayne Wayne 12/24/01 07:20PM
  Re: elevatorRe: Ron Brown Ron Brown 12/25/01 10:38AM
  Re: Well then...Re: miguel miguel 12/24/01 11:10PM
  Re: Well then...Re: Ryan J Ryan J 12/24/01 11:37PM
  Re: More oil means leaner air/gas ratio..believe iRe: js js 12/24/01 06:03PM
  I am assigning you extra homeworkRe: The Moped Gawd The Moped Gawd 12/24/01 06:34PM
  Re: More oil means leaner air/gas ratio..believe iRe: Jimmy Jimmy 12/26/01 07:20PM
  Re: A real solutionRe: Jim C. Jim C. 12/25/01 10:38PM
  Re: A real solutionRe: Ryan J Ryan J 12/26/01 01:11AM
  Re: A real solutionRe: XBrandon EdgeX XBrandon EdgeX 12/26/01 01:12PM
  Re: why your moped saves our environment.Re: Jim Jim 06/12/02 05:14PM
  Re: why your moped saves our environment.Re: Chris Rice Chris Rice 06/12/02 05:28PM
  My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: John Lieberman John Lieberman 06/12/02 05:49PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Fred Fred 06/12/02 06:50PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 07:07PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Brandon Eliason Brandon Eliason 06/12/02 07:37PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 07:11PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Fred Fred 06/12/02 07:16PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 07:25PM
  new 4 strokesRe: Fred Fred 06/12/02 07:50PM
  Re: new 4 strokesRe: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 07:55PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Jim Jim 06/12/02 07:32PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Fred Fred 06/12/02 07:45PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Jim Jim 06/12/02 08:32PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: JD JD 06/12/02 09:03PM
  Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: Wayne Wayne 06/12/02 10:31PM
  Re: Breeder reactor (correction)Re: Wayne Wayne 06/12/02 10:50PM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 12:22AM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: gimmyjimmy gimmyjimmy 06/13/02 08:48AM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: Toehead Toehead 06/13/02 08:23PM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: JD JD 06/13/02 09:28AM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 09:57AM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: JD JD 06/13/02 11:33AM
  Re: Jim the Hawaiian Troll & Sierra ClubRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 12:03PM
  Re: My moped is bad for the environment. So what?Re: Toehead Toehead 06/12/02 09:18PM
  2 strokes ... villain or victim ?Re: Fred Fred 06/12/02 10:12PM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Wayne Wayne 06/13/02 10:24AM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 10:41AM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Ron Brown Ron Brown 06/13/02 11:04AM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 11:47AM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Wayne Wayne 06/13/02 11:06AM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Toehead Toehead 06/13/02 08:32PM
  Re: Quotes from JimRe: Brad c cool Brad c cool 06/15/02 11:50PM
  Re: TauntingRe: Wayne Wayne 06/16/02 05:10PM
  Re: Jim www.epa.govRe: Wayne Wayne 06/12/02 09:59PM
  Re: Jim www.epa.govRe: Jim Jim 06/13/02 12:47AM
  2-strokes = really bad for environmentRe: brian p brian p 06/13/02 12:06PM
  Re: 2-strokes = really bad for environmentRe: Jamie Leonard Jamie Leonard 06/14/02 10:45AM
  HEY FREDRe: duck duck 06/12/02 07:26PM
  Re: HEY DUCK !!Re: Fred Fred 06/12/02 07:43PM
  Re: HEY DUCK !!Re: chuck russo va chuck russo va 06/13/02 11:12AM
  Re: HEY DUCK !!Re: Chris Rice Chris Rice 06/13/02 12:23PM
  Re: HEY DUCK !!Re: Kurt Kurt 06/13/02 03:39PM
  8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Wayne Wayne 06/13/02 04:15PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: Jim C. Jim C. 06/13/02 05:01PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: Wayne Wayne 06/14/02 04:25PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: Jamie Leonard Jamie Leonard 06/14/02 04:29PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: JD JD 06/14/02 04:32PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: Jamie Leonard Jamie Leonard 06/14/02 04:40PM
  Re: How do i make my moped go faster?Re: Jim Jim 06/14/02 05:38PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: duck duck 06/13/02 05:14PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Jim Jim 06/13/02 07:32PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Toehead Toehead 06/13/02 08:47PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Jim Jim 06/13/02 09:15PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Toehead Toehead 06/13/02 09:30PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Jim Jim 06/14/02 04:34AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Toehead Toehead 06/14/02 07:41AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Jim Jim 06/14/02 08:26AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: JD JD 06/14/02 08:31AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: david f martin david f martin 06/13/02 09:47PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Toehead Toehead 06/13/02 09:49PM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Ron Brown Ron Brown 06/14/02 09:52AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: Toehead Toehead 06/14/02 11:52AM
  Re: 8 PEOPLE IN VEHICLE (COPS)Re: duck duck 06/14/02 01:21AM
  what about hte buik?Re: duck duck 06/14/02 01:29AM
  Re: I give upRe: Jim C. Jim C. 06/14/02 10:05AM
  Re: I give upRe: Steve Steve 06/16/02 06:09PM
  Re: TauntingRe: david f martin david f martin 06/16/02 05:19PM

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