hi all, at jcwhitney.com they have a 6volt horn for sale. would this work on 6volt peds??
hi all, at jcwhitney.com they have a 6volt horn for sale. would this work on 6volt peds??
Paul,
Most peds are AC, most horns for other applications are DC and will not work correctly.
Ron
are you on drugs???? ALL mopeds are DC the only part that is ac is the ignitionsystem, then a silicon rectifyer changes it to dc. for lamps, horns, etc...
mopeds (as opposed to scooters) don't even have ignition systems.
Only mopeds with batteries use a RECTIFIER. For simplicity non-battery models use AC for everything.
My Vespa Grande only uses the battery for turn indicators and tail light. Horn, headlight, and stop light are AC.
miguel is right also. Mopeds use a reverse impulse plasma regeneration instead of an ignition system.
Jim
if you dont have an ignition system then your moped wont run, look go tou your moped and hook up a multi meter to your horn and set it to dc current and press the horn button, it will read 6 volts DC not ac ok. ac is alternating current. whitch is like plugs on the wall, so if you have a groung and you touch it you will get a good shock. so dont argue, ask any one else, the mopeds electrical system is DC.
Oliver,
My moped uses a tachyon drive that is powered from an initial Nuke-u-lar reaction-- it uses plutonium pellets to start up the chain reaction. Once the reaction begins, the flux capicitor begins powering itself from the disruption ripples in space-time.
I'm trying to run my next moped from Higgs-Boson particles, but I can't catch enough of them, and they lose coherence before I can get any usable power. I'll let you know if I have any luck with it.
Oliver must be talking about scooters. My ped runs all AC. Wayne, that was a funny response! :)
chris
Oliver,
I am having a hard time typing this between laughng at the stupid responses, like yours, crying over the fact that someone can make it through high school knowing so little about electricity and laughing at the amusing responses from the few who understand.
In the spirit of the moment, I will now grade this thread. : )
>Author: paul (---.proxy.aol.com)
>Date: 12-11-01 15:59
>hi all, at jcwhitney.com they have a 6volt horn for sale. would this work on 6volt >peds??
Oliver, if you are so smart, why did you ask this question? You knew your "ped" was 6v dc, you knew cars and motorcycles use dc. The only problem you could have is a battery, or horn wiring which can't handle the horn current.
Next time you post, tell us something about the "ped" like how mant wheels it has, this will probably get you better answers.
>Author: Ron Brown (---.ismi.net)
>Date: 12-11-01 16:19
>Paul,
>Most peds are AC, most horns for other applications are DC and will not work >correctly.
This post, of course, is perfect. Don't argue with me! I am doing the grading here!
>Author: oliver (---.client.attbi.com)
>Date: 12-11-01 19:14
>are you on drugs???? ALL mopeds are DC the only part that is ac is the >ignitionsystem, then a silicon rectifyer changes it to dc. for lamps, horns, etc...
Oliver, if you can come out of your drug induced haze just long enough for some enlightenment; this is a Moped Forum Mo(Motor)-Ped(Pedals), if you are posting about some other type of vehicle, please say so and avoid all the confusion. If it is 50cc you will probably get an answer even if it is a scooter. You have described a scooter electrical system fairly well, pity you asked your question about a moped. Almost all mopeds have no rectifier or battery and run everything on ac at 6 or 12 volts.
>Author: miguel (---.dsl.gdrpmi.ameritech.net)
>Date: 12-11-01 20:10
>mopeds (as opposed to scooters) don't even have ignition systems.
Miguel!!! Read before you post! I am sure you meant to say "charging" instead of ignition, otherwise, if your spark plug simply prevented compression loss, why would it have to be platinum? : )
Oliver,
I am having a hard time typing this between laughng at the stupid responses, like yours, crying over the fact that someone can make it through high school knowing so little about electricity and laughing at the amusing responses from the few who understand.
In the spirit of the moment, I will now grade this thread. : )
>Author: paul (---.proxy.aol.com)
>Date: 12-11-01 15:59
>hi all, at jcwhitney.com they have a 6volt horn for sale. would this work on 6volt >peds??
Oliver, if you are so smart, why did you ask this question? You knew your "ped" was 6v dc, you knew cars and motorcycles use dc. The only problem you could have is a battery, or horn wiring which can't handle the horn current.
Next time you post, tell us something about the "ped" like how mant wheels it has, this will probably get you better answers.
>Author: Ron Brown (---.ismi.net)
>Date: 12-11-01 16:19
>Paul,
>Most peds are AC, most horns for other applications are DC and will not work >correctly.
This post, of course, is perfect. Don't argue with me! I am doing the grading here!
>Author: oliver (---.client.attbi.com)
>Date: 12-11-01 19:14
>are you on drugs???? ALL mopeds are DC the only part that is ac is the >ignitionsystem, then a silicon rectifyer changes it to dc. for lamps, horns, etc...
Oliver, if you can come out of your drug induced haze just long enough for some enlightenment; this is a Moped Forum Mo(Motor)-Ped(Pedals), if you are posting about some other type of vehicle, please say so and avoid all the confusion. If it is 50cc you will probably get an answer even if it is a scooter. You have described a scooter electrical system fairly well, pity you asked your question about a moped. Almost all mopeds have no rectifier or battery and run everything on ac at 6 or 12 volts.
>Author: miguel (---.dsl.gdrpmi.ameritech.net)
>Date: 12-11-01 20:10
>mopeds (as opposed to scooters) don't even have ignition systems.
Miguel!!! Read before you post! I am sure you meant to say "charging" instead of ignition, otherwise, if your spark plug simply prevented compression loss, why would it have to be platinum? : )
>Author: Jim C. (---.o1.com)
>Date: 12-11-01 20:28
>Only mopeds with batteries use a RECTIFIER. For simplicity non-battery models >use AC for everything.
>My Vespa Grande only uses the battery for turn indicators and tail light. Horn, >headlight, and stop light are AC.
>miguel is right also. Mopeds use a reverse impulse plasma regeneration instead >of an ignition system.
Jim, Excellent synopsis of your Grande electrical system and good spelling correction on rectifier. I also appreciate the explaination of Miguel's insistence on platinum plugs. I am sure that ignition system would melt the electrodes off a normal plug.
>Author: oliver (---.client.attbi.com)
>Date: 12-11-01 20:33
>if you dont have an ignition system then your moped wont run, look go tou your >moped and hook up a multi meter to your horn and set it to dc current and press >the horn button, it will read 6 volts DC not ac ok. ac is alternating current. whitch >is like plugs on the wall, so if you have a groung and you touch it you will get a >good shock. so dont argue, ask any one else, the mopeds electrical system is >DC.
Oliver, good point on the ignition system but Jim explained that, at least to my satisfaction. I'm sure you will find this depressing, but all mopeds are not like yours, which is probably a scooter. I am happy thet you have learned to use a multimeter well enough to figure out that your horn runs on 6 volts dc. Now try to learn a little more about electricity. While you are right that "plugs on the wall" are ac, they are more descriptively, 117 volts ac. It is not the ac that hurts, it's the 117 volts. Please forgive me for argueing, but I seem to have most of this thread on my side. Nya, Nya!
>Author: Wayne (---.unumprovident.com)
>Date: 12-12-01 08:02
>Oliver,
>My moped uses a tachyon drive that is powered from an initial Nuke-u-lar >reaction-- it uses plutonium pellets to start up the chain reaction. Once the >reaction begins, the flux capicitor begins powering itself from the disruption >ripples in space-time.
>I'm trying to run my next moped from Higgs-Boson particles, but I can't catch >enough of them, and they lose coherence before I can get any usable power. I'll >let you know if I have any luck with it.
Wayne, excellent description of your propulsion system. Perhaps, unless it means you have to kill us, you could share the relevant equations?
As for the Higgs-Bosun particles, have you tried building collectors into your stero speakers, where I am sure the 5lb magnets would be a great assist.
Oliver,
In summary, you get much better answers from this forum if you clarify the question. You should never assume that "all" is a good word to use when you have obviously seen very few. Now that you have made your own ignorance and arrogance all too obvious, I hope that your future posts are read by others, with that in mind.
Now that we have been informed that you have a DC horn, we could probably discuss the use of a relay to avoid burning the horn button contacts and wiring, but I am sure you are the only one who is smart enough to understand that so I will refrain.
Ron
Please excuse the first of my posts above. I was laughing so hard I accidentally clicked send before I had finished the post.
Ron
My Targa has a kick start ignition....if you kick the damn thing enough, it might decide to start....
(See Also: Percussive Maintainence.)
-R
my moped runs fine on ac. yep, alternating current. how does it start? well ... my moPED has pedals ... so i pedal to get the flywheel spinning ... which generates electricity ... which fires my sparkplug ... wow! my moped runs.
oh ... and my electrical system is grounded. i have a wire that is strictly for "ground" and it bolts to the left side of my bike under the foot cover. if it touch it ... my hand feels a sharp pain. ouch! ... ac hurts!
ron:
good call on my mistake on ignition systems. i meant to write "mopeds don't even have CDI ignition systems". of course, my feet on the pedals are my favorite ignition mechanism (as opposed to push starting ... oy!)
oh, and the horn on my bianchi doesn't work (corroded connection). neither does the tail light (broken wires). wow! my electrical system is half broken and my bike still runs! oh ... but that's partially because i have a fuse box ...
You are still confused about terminology.... ALL mopeds and scooters have ignition systems... the definition of "ignition system" is... the system that provides the electrical energy to spark the spark plug... it doesn't have anything to do with 'starting'... with pedals (or kick starting.. or push starting... or push button electrical starting).
you can have a CDI ignition system... or a points ignition system
They... IGNITE... the fuel/air charge.
Diesel engines do not have ignition systems.
lol ... i knew that. i was being a bit silly, i guess. but you're right. we should stay precise.
btw ... the battery on my moped is dead. if i replaced it, would my moped run better? ;-)
that was a joke, btw.
I wired a full size car battery into my ped electric system... and strapped it on the back of my moped....... and I gained 10 mph.
No!.... really !!
That is true... the power in all electrical systems is provided by smoke pressure inside the wires.
I know this is a fact...whenever I've worked on electrical systems before.... I found that once I had let all the smoke out of the wires... it would never work again.
so that's why mopeds run poorly when blue smoke comes out of them ... they're loosing electrical smoke pressure!
Fred,
I think this is only true of Joe Lucas' masterpieces. He began his company making vehical oil lamps and never could rid his systems of smoke. I never realized this until I saw a "High Wheeler" or "Penny Farthing" bicycle with a Joseph Lucas oil lamp hanging from the front hub.
Ron
To be fair to Ollie, my 1978 Honda Express (NC50) had a tiny silicon(e) rectifier under the seat. This, I think, was to convert raw AC power from the mag-neeto into usable DC current.
In any moped that is not using a "wheel powered dynamo" for power, there is probably a stationary magnet and a moving magnet, with some kind of resistor in between the magnets to catch the power that 'flashes' betweeen the poles of the magnet.
I think-- I'm not saying I know for sure, and I hope others will explain it even more clearly than I.
What determines if the current will be AC or DC? I'm not sure. Alternating or Direct... Hmmmm. My guess is it's the type of resistor between the magnets.
Problems with the mag-neeto or the rectifier will cause you to 'pop' headlights. A DC headlight will 'pop' if too much AC sneaks through (like from a weak battery or bad rectifier...)
So, back to the question: Is a moped AC or DC? It seems to be both, the mag-neeto (or equivalent) generates AC power, which is turned into DC for some of your blinkers and such.
If I understand Ron's posts, he's saying that most Peds can run their lights etc. from the AC, which would make sense, because you wouldn't have to have a battery or a Silicone rectifier in between the engine and the lights
I always assumed my TOMOS was the same as the NC50, in that it ran DC from some kind of current inverter or rectifier. But, it doesn't have a battery like the NC50 did... (Hey, Ree--- Is a TOMOS AC or DC??)
If a moped DOES have electric start (actual electrical start from a battery...) then it seems like it would be more of a "scooter" in the way the electrical works.
As fun as it is making fun of Ollie, I think he did have some of the basic ideas correct.
I've always been interested in high voltage, and current and coils. I think having a few small batteries and using a coil to get a ton of volts from a small power source is a pretty nifty trick.
(IE Moped shock devices or stun guns) Tesla coils and super high frequency devices and rail-magnet guns... I want to build a :"Jacob's Ladder" (you know, the rising line of high voltage that crackles up two antennas in every 50's scifi movie...??
Did I mention my plan to hook up hidden air horns to my front doorbell? when someone rings, they'll jump a mile high. Too funny.
it doesnt matter whether it is DC or AC for the lights, but im not sure about the horn
I guess I'll throw something in here,just to hear the fireworks.Ha! I run 12 volt DC back-up lamps(#!1156)for my headlight on my Sebrings,and 6 volt taillight bulbs and brake bulbs on it which are DC,and they work great with never a problem.If I've got AC current coursing thru the smoke-filled veins of my lighting wiring,why do these bulbs work perfectly?Hmmmm?And Wayne,don't you start on `flux capacitors' cause I unhooked that when the time warp continuim fizzled on me.LOL!
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