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Are you kidding me dude, when pearl harbor happened we declared war on japan and fucking dropped an a-bomb, maybe you fail to see this is as worst/if not worse than pearl harbor, trust me and mark my words there will be retalitation, do you even live in america?

Plus, It's against international laws to bomb a country. You don't think the USA will break laws in an act of revenge do you?

actually ... international law is something of a myth. it's only enforced by the will of nations and their ability to enforce it. it is illegal to attack another country w/o declaring war. but ... no one declares war before attacking.

the us will retaliate. that's a given. we hit afghanistan and sudan a while back. we've been bombing iraq almost daily for the past ten years. we've tried assasinations of various political leaders over the years. i only fear the fallout of how bad the retaliation will be ... but it will come ... and it will be brutal.

i prefer justice to revenge.

Make no mistake, this act of terrorism is an act of war, and I'm confident that this country will identify the perpetrators and the country(ies) that supports them, and there will be retaliations much worse than what we saw in Desert Storm.

I think this country has learned a terrible lesson in that "sanctions" and legal justice do nothing to dissuade these types of attackers.

Meanwhile, it is eerie to look up in the skies in and around Chicago without seeing any aircraft for over 24 hrs. And most of the buildings were evacuated yesterday. It was nice to get the day off, but not for these reasons.

My thoughts and prayers go out to all who are touched by this awful act.

terrorism is an act of savagery. it's not an act of civilization. i think the best way to destroy the evil of terrorism is to defy it w/ civilization. to decay into hatred and bigotry is simply to let them win, to accept their lack of civilization and allow ourselves to be dragged down into the stone ages.

we do need to retaliate. but i'd rather they be done as legally as possible. i'd like to see the responsible people treated w/ the respect they didn't give their opponents. it would demonstrate to their suppoters that the usa is not as "unholy" or "infidel" as they think.

if we just bloody ourselves and sink into the ancient tit-for-tat of vendetta, then we strengthen their resolve. i'd rather take the wind out of their sails.

You cant do this "legally", for that you would have to assume that the terrorists were aware of the "laws" and were knowingly breaking them. These people dont have the same beliefs and values we do. I use the terms "we" and "these people" generically and dont mean to upset anyone.

As far as retaliation or revenge making us barbaric or savages, that book so many of you put so much faith in(the Bible) says an eye for eye. But remember, these people also believe they are acting on behalf of their God most of the time too.

nuke the towelheads

i can understand anger and bitterness. but, we have to remember that many of these "towelheads" are our friends and neighbors. only a small radical fraction is made up of terrorists. much of the horrible mess of the middle east stems from governments there trying desperately to keep the radical elements at bay.

i have good friends who are muslim from egypt and turkey. i've also had some friends and colleagues from iran, pakistan, palestine, saudi arabia, lebanon, and other places. they were fine people. and they are just as shocked as you and i. some of them are trying their damndest to fight muslim fundamentalists in their homelands.

my point is this: if we start getting racist and saying things like "nuke the towelheads" then we're no better than those who say "kill the infidels". if we stop to think, we realize that.

i've already heard of attacks and threats on arab-americans. i hope none of it happens around me. i will stand for civilization against barbarism. terrorism is the weapon of barbarians, whether they're crashing planes into buildings, burning crosses, or assaulting people based on race, religion, creed, or nationality.

we were targeted tuesday in a declaration of war between barbarism and civilization. it's time to take a firm stand in favor of civilization. if we turn to hatred and eye-for-an-eye retaliation, then the barbarians have already won. i don't want the 21st century to be remembered as the beginning of a new dark ages.

That is exactly the attitude that has created the world we live in. Sadly its the only attitude that will find us any closure

Hi Miguel ! I respect your opinion,but the whole country is suffering `righteous indignation'.Your argument is idealistic but not practical when dealing with `mad dog cowards'.Remember that the `Founding Fathers were God-fearing men.The Bible is pro death penalty in the case of murderers.God told Noah:(Genesis Chapter 9,verse 6) `Anyone shedding man's blood,by man will his own blood be shed,for in God's image He made man.' And also very strikingly appropriate is this excerpt where God said:`And you must take no ransom for the soul of a murderer who is deserving to die,for WITHOUT FAIL HE SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH.' (Numbers Chapter 35,verse 31)Let's not find ourselves arguing with the Almighty about the death penalty.These murdering cowards have earned the death penalty and the offended party,the U.S.Gov't will mete it out accordingly.AS TO WHETHER they are truly cowards,suicide has always been known as the `coward's way out'.The individuals may not ALL be cowards,but their leaders usually are.I'm looking forward to having armed `SKY MARSHALS' present on all flights.They should have been there all along.

Sorry,Miguel! But we'll have to agree to disagree.My point is not in the least connected to a righteous man throwing himself on a grenade to protect innocent people.Just the opposite.We're talking about the cowardly heinous act of throwing a grenade into a crowd of decent people.So get your premises straight and get used to `righteous indignation' when mad dog cowards bomb innocent people and then run away or take the `coward's way out'. You talk about supporting retaliation.Do you realize you're talking out of both sides of your mouth?Retaliation is our Gov'ts `death penalty' to the offenders.You want to trump the `old testament'?Okay,read ROMANS(new testament)Chapter 13,verses 1 thru 5 about the warning that the existing governments stand placed in their relative positions by God,and that government bears the sword as an avenger of God's wrath.The Almighty,Jesus's Creator,does not change from the old to new testament.AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST: I am not speaking for God;He already wrote his laws and guidelines down by means of Moses and they were handed down word of mouth from Adam onward.I would not dare to speak FOR God,only ABOUT God.So Miguel,when the `mad dog cowards' are killed by just retribution,I will rejoice, and I pray that NO innocents are harmed in the carrying out of the EXECUTION. I will try to say nothing more on this matter because I respect this forum as the best moped forum there is.Forgive me,please,if I offended anyone with my defense of God's word.

Instead of reading Romans, I read Leviticus, because it makes the least sense of all. The nonsense is the best part!. Of course, we know everyone follows the RULES presented the book of Leviticus, after all, it's the good book!!

I'm probably missing the whole point of an entire chapter of SPECIFIC rules that GOD says must be followed.

can we selectively choose the parts of the Bible we want to follow, and ignore the parts we don't like? I think that's what's being done. from my point of view, that's inconsistant.

As cynical as I am, I would love to have Job in the Moped Army. Yes, he's one tough cookie.

I am getting better fast, and dreaming about having a new moped by spring. going back to work next week-- That will be nice to be on a schedule again.

and, yes, I think it's a great thread, and ultimately makes us all more aware of how many views are out there. There's a ton of knowledge in here, and not just about mopeds.

I wonder, do moped riders have a higher per capita I.Q. than the general populace?

from philosophy to religion, history and world politics, I'm proud to be a member of a group that knows so much and isn't afraid to share opinions that they know others might disagree with-- or question

I'm hooked on the 'solidarity' we have as regulars here. I think any of the forum regulars could ask me, out of the blue, and I'd put them up for a few days here in Maine. Knowing I could hit the BBQ, without worrying I would have a roof when I get there in K-mazoo is a great feeling.