> Partly true.. but an old motorcycle (even a large one) can
> run as little as $80 for plates and insurance for the season.
- Well to be fair this depends on the size of the motorcycle (here at least it directly depends on engine size and rider record). If I were driving even a very small motorcycle I'd be paying literally 4 times the insurance or more per year. So that depends on the area, on the bike, and on the rider.
> Not really... many people mistake a mopeds mileage as
> "mileage"... but its actually kilometers.
- this depends again, have seen ratings in miles per gallon and kilometers - and of course you have to compare the same to the same to get an accurate result.
> I say almost NO mopeds get over 100mpg.
True, but the average moped still gets anywhere from 20-40mpg more than a motorcycle and if you ride every day to work as I do over the course of a year that isn't a small amount with current gas prices. :)
> Most only get 70mpg... way low considering how slow they are.
> Almost all motorcycles get at least 40... many get 50... the
> smaller ones (smaller than 500cc) get 60.
> Motorcycles win that one.
Actually they win if you count power/mileage maybe... but in mileage they'll always lose out if you're looking strictly at that.
> When I took a moped engine apart for the first time, I
> realized that there was virtually nothing to it! There's less
> to go wrong and when something goes wrong, it's an easy fix.
> I agree with that... and that is why I like them.
Agreed. Plus being simpler with basic maintenence on many models they'll last for a LONG time. (how many of you are riding 20 year old machines with 80 percent plus original parts after all)
> OK... but for every 200 cars or trucks... there is still
> only about 1 motorcycle. You are still in a tiny minority.
I'd say this depends on the area for both sides. Here I see a lot of motorcycles and few mopeds (but getting to be more) I'd say the ratio here might be closer to 100 to 1 or 50 to 1.. and mopeds being VERY much less common than that. I get stopped 2-3 times a week with people asking me about mopeds these days.... I don't see motorcycle drivers getting stopped very much :)
> Very few bikes are getting bigger.
> Many are getting lighter.
Actually I see a trend here for people to keep buying the larger sportsbikes - and seeing as many of them are novice riders they end up as pavement pizza. Not to mention any issues picking it up. Even the lightest motorcycle I've ever seen stilled weighed considerably more than any moped (well excepting perhaps that zundapp moped made that looked exactly like a motorcycle... but how many of THOSE do you see!)
> Mopeds and motorcycle are both small and can fit in small
> spaces everywhere.
True, but mopeds are even easier than motorcycles. I can stick mine behind concrete dividers and such because I can pick it up and lift it over things. Can't do that with a motorcycle. Some places I can put it in a bike rack (some people get upset, some don't) and many other places I get stick it in some unused corner where I could never get a motorcycle. But in general both are easy to park, mopeds just have some extra advantages.
> You don't have to buy a 180mph bike.
> The average motorcycles power gets used a lot.
> You can get away from dangerous cars driven by zombies easily.
With no mods aside from the biturbo on my machine I don't have any issues getting away from anyone... speed limits on the roads I take are at most 60kph and I can do a good 10 kph above that if I have to. Acceleration is really the only issue where in downtown driving motorcycles have the advantage rather than power. And I find most people (aside from some exceptions) buy them for power, to impress people, or to pick up the opposite sex. :) I bought a moped because I don't care what people thing and I have fun riding it. Why get a motorcycle with more power I wouldn't use where I ride, pay 5 times as much per year, and have it cost twice as much or more to buy in the first place?
> The moped is efficiency at it's finest.
> Your typical 2 stroke mopeds are typically quite inefficient
> in terms of mpg.
Comes down to apples and oranges here. They might be inefficient but given the amount of power they use and amount of gas they use... they're still more efficient than a motorcycle for the job of pushing one person around a city. On a strictly power developed for gas used type of examation you're probably right.. but when you look at how much gas they use for pushing one person around downtown... they win.
> To Mr ZX who asked the question... Many of us own both.
> I use the moped for short trips to the store quite often.
> And take motorcycles for longer trips.
Which is the perfect way to do it I'll admit, mopeds aren't exactly suitable for highway usage after all :) (I just have no reason to use the highway.. otherwise I'd look into a vehicle for that as well)
Just my two cents (well ok I might have put in 4... damn inflation)