What's all the V1 bell fuss about? If you have the KTM clutch bell, you just have to press out the drive gear and press out the drive gear from your stock clutch bell, then press the e50 gear into the KTM bell and give it a little tack welding (welding not pictured). [img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Fei9p0lUX24/TgVOkUG9yyI/AAAAAAAASrQ/xeFY2iITpOk/s720/IMG_0091-1.JPG[/img] [img]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ffWJ4heFZZA/TgVOlVnr7jI/AAAAAAAASsg/97D9dqhb6VQ/s720/IMG_0092-1.JPG[/img] [img]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UHIS3cYTeZk/TgVOmH2ckSI/AAAAAAAASrg/yaGKluiS2D4/s720/IMG_0093-1.JPG[/img] Now I just need to rig up a pull starter, or use the kick-the-flywheel trick to start it. http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2735315#msg-2735315 Sat, 18 May 2013 03:20:43 -0400 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156849#msg-3156849 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156849#msg-3156849 RingringBANG ! Moped Performance Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:27:46 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156793#msg-3156793 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156793#msg-3156793 Cooper Hennick Moped Performance Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:36:30 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156511#msg-3156511 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156511#msg-3156511 Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:35:16 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156482#msg-3156482 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156482#msg-3156482
I think the biggest up side to a KTM is longevity. If you want stock puch style clutches to perform well, they don't last too long.]]> Cooper Hennick Moped Performance Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:57:10 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156205#msg-3156205 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156205#msg-3156205 RingringBANG ! Moped Performance Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:44:55 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156131#msg-3156131 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3156131#msg-3156131 -------------------------------------------------------
> Rachid Z Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have one, a motor I am parting out so it is
> > basically free.
> > I want to be able to start my e50, so it
> seems
> > worth it.
>
> This is the worst thing you can do for your Puch
> if you just want to start it more easily.


do you mean the sleeve bell or the V1 bell? I don't want it to start MORE easily, just want to be ABLE to start it, as in have a functioning mechanism.
It seems the V1 is the easier way to do that, I was asking if it has been more reliable for people who have done it.

Have yet to hear from those who use a stock V1 bell about longevity]]> Rachid Z Moped Performance Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:56:30 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3155933#msg-3155933 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3155933#msg-3155933 Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:08:57 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3155914#msg-3155914 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3155914#msg-3155914 -------------------------------------------------------
> I have one, a motor I am parting out so it is
> basically free.
> I want to be able to start my e50, so it seems
> worth it.

This is the worst thing you can do for your Puch if you just want to start it more easily.]]> Professor Sheiklestein Moped Performance Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:58:47 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3155844#msg-3155844 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3155844#msg-3155844 I want to be able to start my e50, so it seems worth it. I can always have a backup bell in case one of them breaks or something I can swap it out without having to lose my clutch that is (will be ) tuned.

Did anyone use the stock V1 bell and starting method for a long time??]]> Rachid Z Moped Performance Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:00:27 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3153223#msg-3153223 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3153223#msg-3153223 Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:17:16 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3153165#msg-3153165 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3153165#msg-3153165 It works fine without the ball bearing and spring setup like a V1 has? or did you swap out the center for one from a Puch starting plate?

if so, how has that held up? it is a pretty big commitment to scrap a v1 bell for this conversion.

I have been trying to come up with a better starting solution so i can use the spacer shim but haven't yet.]]> Rachid Z Moped Performance Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:01:46 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3111464#msg-3111464 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3111464#msg-3111464 Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:14:07 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3111460#msg-3111460 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3111460#msg-3111460
1. Press out puch gear from clutch bell
2. Press out V1 minarelli gear from clutch bell
3. Drill the hole in the minarelli clutch bell to 15/16" (did mine with a stepped drill bit.)
4. Press puch gear into the V1 minarelli clutch bell.
5. Weld around the gear on the inside of the bell so it doesn't spin
6. sand weld flat with something like this.

End result:



]]> Jake P Moped Performance Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:06:53 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3081053#msg-3081053 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,3081053#msg-3081053
Chromoly can be cut almost add easily as mild steel. Band saw is fine and it can be machined.

And the stiffest clutch setup is like this:
(())(())


Mark Zielstorff Wrote:
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> Austin - if you want lower engagement replace some
> of the cupped washers with flat ones: the stiffest
> configuration is ()()()()(), while the least stiff
> configuration is llll()llll. Also, the steel I got
>from McMaster is low carbon, which is the
>softest, but also cheapest, kind of steel. 1 foot
>of this was like $40, as opposed to something
>like $140 for a foot of cro-moly steel (which I
>don't even know how I would cut).]]> Jake P Moped Performance Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:53:44 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2995699#msg-2995699 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2995699#msg-2995699
I just took my clutch apart, the cork that I glued to the clutch arms is completely gone, but I think it actually grabs better without it.

A few of the set screws that I used to hold in the shim came loose and were starting to grind against the case (that's why I opened it up). This actually happened before, but one of the screws came all the way out and made a huge mess.

The steel liner of the shim is actually getting worn through a lot faster than I would have guessed. The shim is a bit wider than the clutch so I can see the original thickness versus the worn area. Maybe half a millimeter. But that's kind of troubling for long term (years) durability. Granted I've been riding on this setup every day for almost a year, which is a lot of abuse.

Sooo... I was originally thinking I would weld the set screws in, but in light of the liner wear I kind of want to keep the option of replacing it. Not sure if locktite would stand up the the abuse and keep them in place. Also, the steel I got from McMaster is low carbon, which is the softest, but also cheapest, kind of steel. 1 foot of this was like $40, as opposed to something like $140 for a foot of cro-moly steel (which I don't even know how I would cut). Mars has an OEM KTM clutch bell, which is exquisitly machined, very hard, high carbon steel, so it would probably never wear down. I guess the other option is relining the clutches with something I'm sure to be softer than soft steel (I think the OEM material has metal strands in it).]]> Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:23:57 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2940757#msg-2940757 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2940757#msg-2940757 Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:18:33 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2940527#msg-2940527 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2940527#msg-2940527 Mars™   Moped Performance Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:28:11 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2940520#msg-2940520 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2940520#msg-2940520
Mark, how is yours still holding up?

I bought a KTM on the BS today and i have a sweet pull start plan and a sweet lightened bell plan also, cant wait to start putting it together sometime on my Metra 80]]> Rachid Z Moped Performance Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:19:34 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2874583#msg-2874583 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2874583#msg-2874583 -------------------------------------------------------
> Mars™   Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, why is it that a dry clutch (Scooters,
> > Hobbits, French Clutch Pulleys) can handle
> > high-high rpm engagement without any
> lubrication,
> > but with the KTM clutches you need to baby it
> with
> > fancy oil?
>
>
> wet clutches are designed to slip and do much more
> than dry ones do to compensate for the
> non-variating thing

I was gonna say just that. Dry clutches don't slip nearly as much and they don't generate as much heat.]]> Chris HnRz Moped Performance Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:56:26 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873792#msg-2873792 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873792#msg-2873792 Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:33:01 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873786#msg-2873786 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873786#msg-2873786 -------------------------------------------------------
> So, why is it that a dry clutch (Scooters,
> Hobbits, French Clutch Pulleys) can handle
> high-high rpm engagement without any lubrication,
> but with the KTM clutches you need to baby it with
> fancy oil?


wet clutches are designed to slip and do much more than dry ones do to compensate for the non-variating thing]]> The Hebrew Hammer Moped Performance Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:25:34 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873777#msg-2873777 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873777#msg-2873777
it was just such a nice machine job i didn't remember the steel inner. i mean seriously you should consider making them for sale, if they hold up... it really looks good with the bevel for pressing and the smoothness.

ill be sure to update on the holding up once i get some miles in....]]> Rachid Z Moped Performance Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:07:21 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873730#msg-2873730 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873730#msg-2873730 Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:19:58 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873683#msg-2873683 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873683#msg-2873683 Rachid Z Moped Performance Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:44:52 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873674#msg-2873674 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873674#msg-2873674 Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:40:39 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873660#msg-2873660 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2873660#msg-2873660
do i remember correctly that you coated it with jbweld and then pressed it in, and then drilled the holes and used the set screws into them?

I am geting ready to do the mating of bell to spacer pretty soon.]]> Rachid Z Moped Performance Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:26:15 -0500 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2856318#msg-2856318 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2856318#msg-2856318
i was running a gila with hpi and destroyer so the high rpms could have really messed with the starting mechanism.. but i honestly believe you need a nice 360 smooth surface of friction material to start the bike.. otherwise your f'd to say the least... so before you slap it all together use your machine shop/ engineering skills to finally come up with a solid solution.. if you do a search with in the past few years you will see what im talking about.. there has been countless starting issues with the stock clutch engagment with the ktm mod..]]> T S Moped Performance Sat, 05 Nov 2011 03:38:43 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2823320#msg-2823320 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2823320#msg-2823320 Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:38:46 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2823318#msg-2823318 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2823318#msg-2823318 Weird though, on the ktm bell w ktm clutch, it sat too low on the tapper for the nut to keep it tight, had to space out with a washer? Anyone had this issue?]]> RingringBANG ! Moped Performance Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:36:23 -0400 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2823310#msg-2823310 http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?7,2735315,2823310#msg-2823310 Mark Zielstorff Moped Performance Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:27:40 -0400