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Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: John (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
joseph - Date Posted: 05-03-09 12:45
People who have acquired these things report your results on various setups here:
Also, might be useful for someone to do an installation guide here too.
(I ordered mine early status, so I’m still waiting on reg, box, and coil)
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 13:42
Still waiting! I will post as soon as I get it.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jake (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jkpeanut4
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 13:45
im goin to order a hot coil soon for mine and try some different pitbike cdi boxes i have. ill post back when i get it all going
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Motobee Goode (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: motobee
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 14:30
He got the boxes and it looks they’re gonna go out on monday go out on monday. I have one on the way, but my project is not far enough along to be testing this thing….i am sooo anxious to hear how it does.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Zack Spoke (---.hlrn.qwest.net)
- Verified User: zakre
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 15:29
I got the one from 77, and for the moment can’t get it to spark. Gona go mess with the wiring a bit more and figure out why. Bolts on easy enough though.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: SABAT! (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: sabat
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 15:33
whats the 1977 version look like? is it jut a coil and box?
or new stator and flywheel?
`SABAT!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: vic (---.war.clearwire-wmx.net)
vic - Date Posted: 05-03-09 15:40
too many different mounting variables between e50 and za50. im wortking on figuring out if theres a timing mark on the flywheel somewhere as we speak. There are 2 lines on the flywheel that dont necessarly correspond to anything in one position so im trying others.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Zack Spoke (---.hlrn.qwest.net)
- Verified User: zakre
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 16:07
The 77 one came with stator, flywheel, and a CDI box. Also a wiring diagram (with some small errors), and a keychain dangly thing.
Just talked to one of them, apparently it’s the wrong CDI box.. They’ll be getting the right one in soon.
Damnit Dan. I love you guys and all, but you let Benji win this one.. Sending me crap that wont work, then not telling me about it…
Ahh well. From what I see/understand, it’s the same thing Treats sells, minus the test-work and honesty.
Other neat note, the arrow on the flywheel points the other way, not that this should be a problem?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: ffreddie (97.67.47.---)
- Verified User: ffreddie
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 16:23
It does work on the ZA50.. and everything with exception of the box is the same as ttreats one.. THink you need to run the 12V coil to make it right all the way.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Zack Spoke (---.hlrn.qwest.net)
- Verified User: zakre
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 16:40
I just talked to ZachLee, and was told that the box was the wrong one, and I needed a different one to achieve spark.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jason (---.socal.res.rr.com)
- Verified User: xjasonx
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 17:19
do you have to move the pick up on the treats one ? and drill and tap that hole too?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: benji treatland (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: monster
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 18:28
just to let you know we have been testing these for weeks months and in my case years! I have a pile of boxes that suck thats why we just released it without box. I could send and crummy boxes but I’m going to make them into a time machine, i mean someone else is. The first edition of the rad E50 boxes are in and after a few months we’re going to get together as a community and decide what rpm/curve we want V2 to have. collective creative beautiful disaster. The E50 boxes we are shipping now rip, yeahhh!!! thanks testers and patient ones, benji
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: wadeeee (---.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com)
- Verified User: somescreename04
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 19:17
yo benji, just curious as to when you’ll be shipping out the other parts for the people who ordered the cdi in advance. sometime this week maybe?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Magurczek (---.242.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com)
- Verified User: magurczek
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 19:34
so are the current box’s no good for the za50? I assume, since it says specifically the e50, or, uh, I mean, I used my decoder ring to figure it out….yeah.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 19:36
if you have an e-50 the pickup goes on the left. za50 it goes on the right.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: the human house (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
- Verified User: dog_poopie
- Date Posted: 05-03-09 23:17
i got 3 of them ill start testing once i get the boxes. and more boxes
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRACERS (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 05-04-09 00:06
basically just make sure the pickup is in the same location as the points were prior to the switch. A timing light is helpful if you forgot where your points were, and if you want it to be timed correctly, but basically its just plug and play, instant rip. The e50 box is sick, the za50 box to come is even better.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 05-04-09 11:38
ooh i hope its in the mail. mine keeps staring at me and making me feel uncomfortable.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: albydamned (---.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
- Verified User: albydamned
- Date Posted: 05-04-09 13:32
OHHH yea h I cant wait my tri rad is going to have solid electronics yes I cant wait for my box to get here
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: tan (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: tannerbleakley
- Date Posted: 05-04-09 15:06
what types of gains are you getting? how many mph and in what range? I guess its all ranges?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Angry (---.dhcp.umsl.edu)
- Verified User: angry
- Date Posted: 05-04-09 15:08
Mine gave me a boost of 25 MPH, and then it started adding wings and lights and shit, then it started to fly, then it turned into a lizard, but with the head of Neil Diamond and it kept singing the theme song from the TV show Nell.
Then i woke up and checked the mail
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-05-09 01:52
Sold out before I got one :(
I have the stator and flywheel, need the coil and box.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brandon Bakke (209.0.51.---)
- Verified User: bbakke
- Date Posted: 05-05-09 04:03
This CDI business has been so hyped up, I’m gonna have blue balls for a month if I don’t hear about some results someday soon.
Good luck everyone, I’m broke so I don’t own one, but show me how much they kick ass and maybe I’ll cut down the beer ‘n cigs budget enough to buy one for my Puch.
Remember, I’m pullin’ for ya, we’re all in this together (anyone?)
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: moonshiner (---.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
- Verified User: moonshiner
- Date Posted: 05-05-09 08:50
I got mine and benji says the ZA50 box will bet out this week
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Responsible Jon (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
philip - Date Posted: 05-05-09 11:49
Red Green says that the CDI on his 2 speed Puch Magnum seems to work pretty well, but he needs to go check it with a timing light, and then open up the slots on the stator plate since it only mounted maxed out for him.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Angry (---.dhcp.umsl.edu)
- Verified User: angry
- Date Posted: 05-05-09 11:53
I gotta buy another one for my ZA 50? or juist the box? Fuck ti, i’ll buy another one!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Peter (---.gene.com)
- Verified User: tangent
- Date Posted: 05-05-09 13:21
Dear Moped Army,
I picked one up from Treats. I’m pretty sure the ‘77 ones are the same. Hooked it up and it worked perfectly. You don’t have to move the pickup, it works fine where it is (this is on an e50).
I haven’t got to ride it too much because it’s been raining, but from the little I did ride it, I’ve noticed:
-consistent power
-bright ass lights
Sincerely,
Peter Nguyen
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: logan cain (---.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
- Verified User: el_pollo_diablo
- Date Posted: 05-05-09 13:26
Even if it works well with the pickup the way it is, I want to try the pick up on the other side. Mine came undrilled/tapped for both sides. Who knows what size Drill bit/tap I need to make the other hole work?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.MIT.EDU)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-05-09 13:52
I don’t know what the threading on the bolt holding the sensor was, but I just used a drill/tap/bolt that would fit. In other words, it may be easier to use whatever tap you have available that will work, use whatever the right size drill is for that tap and done.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Peter (---.gene.com)
- Verified User: tangent
- Date Posted: 05-05-09 14:42
One thing to mention is that you should move the ground wire to the other side of the bolt (not the nut-end [does that make sense?]). If you don’t, the nut protrudes too much, and touches the engine case and you can’t get the strator to rest properly.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-05-09 18:52
Got my order in (along with about $600 of other parts). Now to wait and built my very fast motor. Hopefully I can get it going better than my athena kit.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-05-09 19:52
I just dremeled out my case so that the bolt would fit and I could move the stator.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: 1immy (137.54.26.---)
joseph - Date Posted: 05-06-09 17:09
don’t let it die!
Peter, can you post a primitive installation manual?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: mycon DEEP (---.wireless.albany.edu)
- Verified User: scottbirdsey
- Date Posted: 05-06-09 17:17
YES PLEASE
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: MyLittlePony (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: retrorider
- Date Posted: 05-06-09 17:58
just picked mine up today from Treats. so rad! I won’t have time to tinker with it until this weekend … it’s going on my mid-60’s Sabre!!!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: trux (---.static.reno.nv.charter.com)
- Verified User: trux
- Date Posted: 05-06-09 18:07
I’m still waiting for the box/coil/regulator to greet me at my door when I get home.
Word is they were shipped early this week? I hope so!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: human drew (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
- Verified User: dog_poopie
- Date Posted: 05-06-09 18:12
can we clarify what side the pick up goes on for what motor?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: ed (---.myactv.net)
- Verified User: mopagen
- Date Posted: 05-06-09 18:14
I am sure.. it comes.. mounted for the za-fifty..
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: trux (---.static.reno.nv.charter.com)
- Verified User: trux
- Date Posted: 05-06-09 18:31
When looking at the stator mounted, it’s left side for e50, right side for za50. Although people here are reporting that you don’t need to switch it around.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Spoo (38.107.200.---)
- Verified User: spoo
- Date Posted: 05-07-09 12:51
Treats is (Out of Stock) on them now :(
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: conrad (98.127.166.---)
- Verified User: rawr
- Date Posted: 05-07-09 13:32
still no actual results? :(
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: hawkns (---.249.231.81.nptpop-cmts01-cable-sub.rdns-bn)
ryanhawkins - Date Posted: 05-07-09 14:31
mines in the USPS’s hands right now, I think a lot of people are waiting to get theirs.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.MIT.EDU)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-07-09 15:02
Yep
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: logan cain (---.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
- Verified User: el_pollo_diablo
- Date Posted: 05-07-09 17:37
Come this weekend and monday, reports are gonna ‘splode onto this thread.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: moonshiner (---.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
- Verified User: moonshiner
- Date Posted: 05-07-09 22:25
I git my flywheel&stator just waitin on the za50 box to drop
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: peter (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: tangent
- Date Posted: 05-07-09 22:46
Here’s an illustration of how I set it up.
Hope this works for everyone.
P
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: mycon deep (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
- Verified User: scottbirdsey
- Date Posted: 05-07-09 23:02
awesome. you are a great american
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: deaneky (---.42.23.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net)
deane - Date Posted: 05-07-09 23:07
wiki that shit, pronto.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: MyLittleGarMy (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: retrorider
- Date Posted: 05-07-09 23:33
thanks, Peter … god, this is so exciting …
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jimmy (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: retrorider
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 00:11
peter, you rock!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 00:17
So, why did Benji tell people to toss the sensor onto the other side? That might explain why I couldn’t get mine working with the lil pitbike CDI I had.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: peter (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: tangent
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 00:45
Well, I don’t think Benji is lying to anyone. I think the Treats guys are getting reports both ways—just like is says in the product description. All I know is that it worked just fine for me without having to change pickup sides.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: brooks (151.59.39.---)
- Verified User: dacron
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 03:45
Is it just me or is there no mention of a wire going to the horn on that diagram?? I thought the only reason people were getting these things was for the super loud horns…
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: vic (70.102.2.---)
vic - Date Posted: 05-08-09 04:11
run your horn off the red wire.
peter, where do your stator screw slots line up? right in the middle?
i’ll be attempting to get this working on a za50 tommorow with an “e50” box. I’ll post results as well.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: mycon deep (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
- Verified User: scottbirdsey
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 04:31
to split that red wire to headlight/tail/horn – is the easiest way to do it, take puch wire harness – put red wire in one side – shove three wires on the opposite side?
off topic srry
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: mycon deep (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
- Verified User: scottbirdsey
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 04:35
that was retarded. i mean put the red wire in the one side and the other three wires all together into the opposite side. 4:34 am ya!
but that works right
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: hawkns (---.249.231.81.nptpop-cmts01-cable-sub.rdns-bn)
ryanhawkins - Date Posted: 05-08-09 10:54
just got mine, MASTER FUKIN’ IGNITER bitchezzzz. Im going to leave work after lunch and dick around with it and HOPEFULLY, POSSIBLY be ready to head over to Motion Sick this evening.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Responsible Jon (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
philip - Date Posted: 05-08-09 11:08
The best way to split the power for headlight, tail light and horn is to stick put the red into one side, and then take a small piece of wire and make a jumper, to go to the next open block, and then another jumper from that block so that you only have a maximum of 2 wires in each side of the block. Like this.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Responsible Jon (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
philip - Date Posted: 05-08-09 11:11
Also keep in mind, some model year puchs had a horn switch that was constantly grounded, and will kill your headlight and tail light because all the voltage is going straight to ground, so you may have to find the switch that is the normally open kind that completes the circuit when pressed.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: peter (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: tangent
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 12:18
Vic, I just had the stator positioned middle-slot as much as I could.
Horn people, sorry I let you down. I just forgot because I don’t have a horn on my moped. I just wink to get people’s attention. Philip, good idea with the wiring block.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Spoo (38.107.200.---)
- Verified User: spoo
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 12:20
Do you need the voltage reg? I have a 12v 55w bulb in my headlight, wouldn’t it take up the extra power as long as the other bulbs were 12v?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Responsible Jon (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
philip - Date Posted: 05-08-09 12:30
Where did you find a 12v 55w 1156 bulb?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Spoo (38.107.200.---)
- Verified User: spoo
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 12:35
I didn’t. I put in my own shit! It’s a high brightness halogen that works titties! I was thinking with this CDI setup I could light up EVERYTHING :)
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Spoo (38.107.200.---)
- Verified User: spoo
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 12:37
Here’s the thread Responsible Jon
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: mycon Deep (---.eypae.com)
- Verified User: scottbirdsey
- Date Posted: 05-08-09 14:24
thanks Jon, makes sense to me.
titties works remarkably well as an adjective.
okay back on topic.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 05-08-09 14:36
I don’t understand how the pick up could possibly work in that position on an e50. Not that I understand CDI all that well to begin with. Maybe someone could explain? It seems like your timing would be retarded by like 120 degrees or some shit.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: vic (---.war.clearwire-wmx.net)
vic - Date Posted: 05-08-09 23:47
bump. no luck here. its the end of the day and I’ve put my points back on. anybody else?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Responsible Jon (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
philip - Date Posted: 05-09-09 00:19
Mine works on my ZA50, but I’m using a different box than you guys.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: rrk0206 (69.253.32.---)
- Verified User: rrk0206
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 00:42
mine works on my e50 i didnt move the pickup to the other side either i just followed peters instructions and it worked
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: vic (---.war.clearwire-wmx.net)
vic - Date Posted: 05-09-09 04:36
philip. can you please take a picture of your stator mounted on the engine? I wanna see what position the stator/pickup is in on a za50.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: rrk0206 (69.253.32.---)
- Verified User: rrk0206
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 07:41
Mine work ok on my E 50 without moving the pick up I put the screws in the middle of the slot on the stator moved the grond wire to the front cut the bolt and off I went. I gained five mph on the gps will tune it today. Like to get a little more out of it
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Responsible Jon (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
philip - Date Posted: 05-09-09 13:24
Here you go Vic. I wrote a little about it a post back in my blog
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: vic (---.war.clearwire-wmx.net)
vic - Date Posted: 05-09-09 13:45
word, thanks dude. Im gonna give it another shot tommorow hopefully.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Rob Farmer (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: troll666
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 13:53
someone really needs to address this pick up situation. maybe it works for now on your e50 but will it blow your engine eventually!! why does the pick up need to be moved or why not?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: rrk0206 (69.253.32.---)
- Verified User: rrk0206
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 15:20
philip did you move the ground wire to the front of the stator?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: MyLittleGarMy (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: retrorider
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 17:13
It’s easy to bolt up, but I am sick right now and haven’t finished. Since I am using this on my Sabre (neither an E50 nor a ZA50), I’d like to understand a little more about how/why the position of the pick-up matters? I’m bolting mine up so the pick up is approximately in the same location as the old points.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Responsible Jon (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
philip - Date Posted: 05-09-09 17:29
I did not relocate the ground to the front, I assume on an E50 it interferes a little bit with the case, but there is plenty of room behind the stator mounts on a 2 speed case. I did trim some of the wire sheath back so they would lay flatter, though. Also note that I have very little room for adjustment on the stator plate, if I needed to re-time it, I would have to modify the slots for more travel.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 21:24
alright I got it going and riding with the hero majestic box. The hero box is rev limited or something because as soon as you hit like 30 it cuts the spark. I guess I will wait for the treats box. also I got it running with the pickup on the right side.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.MIT.EDU)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 21:40
Got mine running, and yep, it rips well, son.
I installed the pickup on the alternate side initially as suggested by treats, and yes, it does NOT work. Leave the pickup on the installed side for e50. When installed on the other (wrong) side, it did in fact run, but so incredibly poorly.
I completely removed the brown ground wire, as it does nothing seeing how the frame is already grounded. I also removed the little steel wire cage thing off the back and got rid of the green casing. Since the bolt was no longer needed to hold on the wire cage, I was able to use a smaller bolt threaded right into the aluminum plate to hold down the coil instead of the longer one; this eliminated the interference with the engine case that prevented one from freely rotating the stator.
All in all, very happy and fast. I am also now able to power both of the automotive fog-lamps I had recently installed; 55 watts for the win!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.MIT.EDU)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 21:42
Oh, I forgot to mention (Jesse) I found that I wasn’t able to get full speed unless I went fully retarded timing. Rotate yours all the way to the left and you should be happier.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 21:49
Tried that I am just using this stupid hero majestic cdi box. when I had the hero running it would cut out at 30 also. Just have to wait for Treatola
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Crazy Wayne (---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
- Verified User: powerchair
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 21:59
Philp you have the stater turned 180 deg’s that looks easier than taping and moving the pick up.
And it works on E-50’s good setup.
Fast Bat out
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: JoshA (---.c3-0.sbo-ubr3.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com)
josha - Date Posted: 05-09-09 22:19
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Put mine on today and I think I picked up 10mph. This thing is sick, didn’t touch the pickup but I did move the ground. Only complaint is the coil doesn’t fit under my tank anymore.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 22:25
It’s hard to say what my top speed is now… It’s hard to find anywhere in Cambridge/Boston that will give me enough room to get up to 70 ;)
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Rob Farmer (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: troll666
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 23:14
OCD?? the treats cdi is set up for za50 right? Mars say no its fro e50?? once again, WHY does it need to be moved to the other isde. you guyz are so hopped up on goof balls you don’t really address the situation!! does the pick up need to be moved? why and why not?? we don’t care how fast you are going!!!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-09-09 23:50
It does NOT need to be moved for an e50.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: ILIA (---.tampabay.res.rr.com)
- Verified User: malchik151
- Date Posted: 05-10-09 01:59
But then it needs to be mounted upside down to work without being mounted on the opposite side? Can nobody say that in one sentence on the same post with the least bit of confidence? How confident are you guys that the it is functioning to its full potential. And like Farmer just asked regarding the pick-up, why or why not?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-10-09 02:06
Not upside down. Just put it in. Look at the picture Josh posted above.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: elliot (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
elliot - Date Posted: 05-10-09 19:28
has anyone ever typed hero puch into Google search?
hero puch cdi?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Rob Farmer (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: troll666
- Date Posted: 05-10-09 19:47
yeah, this page is cool to look at!
http://www.zenwinmotorparts.com/stator.html
it looks like josh and mars put it on there e50 how it comes and it works i guess?
It looks like philip put his on upside down on his e50 and it works??
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-10-09 20:12
Yea elliot these things have been around a while.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Responsible Jon (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
philip - Date Posted: 05-10-09 21:28
No, I put it so the pickup is in the stock location on my 2 speed. You can call that upside down if you want to.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Rob Farmer (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: troll666
- Date Posted: 05-11-09 01:35
hmmmm.. So, maybe they just work on both engines without moving the pickup since the stators go on different?? I can’t wait till treats has some more so I can get one. I’m gonna try and use my korado coil/cdi box and see what happens!!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 05-11-09 11:44
how far advanced/retarded are you guys running this according to your stator slots/screw location?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: hawkns (---.249.231.81.nptpop-cmts01-cable-sub.rdns-bn)
ryanhawkins - Date Posted: 05-11-09 11:54
on my e50 i tried both ways, definitely had to swap the pickup. its in the same position that my points were (left side). I put the ground wire to the front and cut off the excess bolt, and still had to grind a little on the case to get it to move freely so as to adjust my timing. I haven’t had time to mess with the timing yet, hopefully this evening.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jewish (---.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)
- Verified User: jewish
- Date Posted: 05-11-09 12:00
Damn I wish I could put this on my tomos. Nice stuffs
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: rob farmer (146.74.224.---)
- Verified User: troll666
- Date Posted: 05-11-09 18:24
now its a yes swap the pickup for e50!! lol!!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-11-09 18:31
I think some of them come with the pickup on different sides.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Dan (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: dgo64
- Date Posted: 05-11-09 18:38
I used a scooter cdi box/coil combo and didn’t move the pickup. The spark off that thing curled my nose hair. I’m putting it on a bike for testing tomorrow. It’s an E-50
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRACERS (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 05-11-09 19:14
I’ve heard and seen both sides of the pickup work. Its dependent on the box, but you have to check your spark with a timing light to make sure its firing when you want it to. All the boxes we tested required the pickup be moved, but we haven’t yet tried out the latest box benji is selling all of you.
So again, get a timing light and check it out, and move the pickup accordingly. Its really easy to do, so no worries.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: conrad (98.127.166.---)
- Verified User: rawr
- Date Posted: 05-11-09 21:34
eventually there will be a wiki for this right???
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-11-09 21:51
The question is, are any of the people who have moved the pickup for an e50 actually using the CDI that comes with the stator?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Angry (---.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: angry
- Date Posted: 05-11-09 21:52
So, depending on what time of day you got yours sent out it may not work one way but might work another way? This takes modding to a whole new fucking crazy level.
Either way, I don’t care, but it wouldbe nice to have definitive answers.
WHEEEEEE, I’m gun blow my self up!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: I.R.E.Mattso (---.dsl.stl2mo.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: mattso
- Date Posted: 05-11-09 23:10
So I just left everything alone and put the stator in the middle on my stock e50 and it ran great. It gained 2-3 mph!!. Im buying another for my maxi project!!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 05-12-09 09:16
is this the box that treats sent you?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.MIT.EDU)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-12-09 09:33
So, as far as timing goes, I’m having trouble idling unless I’m fully retarded. What are others running? (who are using the treats CDI, not some other dirkbike/etc box)
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: joey (---.dsl.austtx.swbell.net)
joeyp - Date Posted: 05-12-09 12:00
set mine up last night. runs about the same with the pickup on either side. stator in the middle. runs best with pickup on the left and stator slightly retarded. definitely more power all around. the problem i’m having, is it almost feels like there’s a rev limiter built in. when it hits 53mph it starts to act silly. anyone else having this problem? the box is the treats box.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 05-13-09 10:40
bump
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: hawkns (---.249.231.81.nptpop-cmts01-cable-sub.rdns-bn)
ryanhawkins - Date Posted: 05-13-09 12:12
i will report back tomorrow, I am going to go out to Motion Left tonight and hopefully will get this thing figured out.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 05-13-09 13:52
rad! let us know dude!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: gaber (---.static.insightbb.com)
gabeb - Date Posted: 05-13-09 14:16
tim, did you get your box yet?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 05-13-09 14:22
no… got an email yesterday asking for mey original order # so they could send me the box. got an email today saying they got my info. i’m assuming it will ship today.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: MyLittleGarMy (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: retrorider
- Date Posted: 05-13-09 23:27
I installed mine on my Sears/Puch Sabre today. I am only getting weak spark. At first I thought it was a ground issue, but I re-did the ground and verified I had good ground and I am still getting weak spark. I’ve moved the pick-up from right to left (with the initial set-up) and now it is back on the right. I am going to try moving it again when I get back to it (tomorrow night or Friday) and moving the stator (again), trying different placements … but … I am not getting enough spark to start the bike. Any ideas?
Is it possible this is related to the fact that it’s a kick start?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-14-09 00:34
So, I’m now running at (don’t laugh, but I haven’t had time to get out a timing light or bother to find TDC on the flywheel) “middle” timing, and discovered something tonight: it helps if you actually tighten down the fucking flywheel nut…
Anywho, to summarize, I’m running with the pickup in its stock location (the right), the stator is installed normally (not upside-down), timing is “mid”, and using the treats CDI box, I’m ripping it up… honestly, I’m going fast enough to be worried about the integrity of my wheels/frame.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jlserrano (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jlserrano
- Date Posted: 05-14-09 00:53
martian, one important thing you forgot to mention, do you have it on an e50 or za?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-14-09 01:00
oh duh, e50.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 05-14-09 10:10
what made you decide to move it from full retard psition to middle position?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-14-09 18:55
Well, like I said, I was foolish and didn’t tighten down the flywheel enough which was causing erratic behavior; For whatever reason, it seemed least problematic at fully retarded, but now having fixed the actual problem, the timing does not need to be set to an extreme. I may play with it a little bit now, but the necessity to have it all the way back as I first described was a false positive.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: wade (---.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
- Verified User: somescreename04
- Date Posted: 05-14-09 22:04
how exactly do you adjust the timing on the CDI?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-14-09 22:25
Rotate the stator
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: andrewhed (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: andrewhed
- Date Posted: 05-14-09 23:12
cdi box came in the mail today
black with white stripe goes where? red? White? solid black?
id assume black is ground but why not go to the frame?
yellow from the flywheel goes to lights i get that…other 3?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: andrewhed (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: andrewhed
- Date Posted: 05-14-09 23:19
meh ill figure it out without a 6 pack of miller high life in me….
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: trux (---.unknown.charter.com)
- Verified User: trux
- Date Posted: 05-15-09 01:01
So I got mine in the mail today! Andrewhed, red to red, white to white, black w/ white stripe to ground, black to kill switch, yellow to lights.
Took me about 30 minutes to install. I didn’t do much testing, or really set the timing, just locked it in around the middle. E50.
I didn’t switch the pickup either. So far, it rips really hard. Like, really. If I figure out any details on how this magic works, I will post them. I guess just drink some wizard’s fuel (cheap beer) and slap that fucker on.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRACERS (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 05-15-09 03:07
trux has the right idea. Throw it on and go really fast. It shouldn’t be that easy but it is.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: andrewhed (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: andrewhed
- Date Posted: 05-15-09 10:08
yeah. apparently 1am and a face full of miller genuine draft is not good for electrical planning LOL
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-15-09 12:33
Got mine on last night. Moved the long bolt from the ground wire side to the right side and then I could adjust the timing throughout the range.
Set the plate in dead middle, it ran but was quite retarded on the timing. By the time I had it set to full advance and got some of my lights hooked up it was too late to test anymore.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: honorarygar
- Date Posted: 05-15-09 21:22
Ok got it on. It rips i have it at almost full retard. for no simple reason. i will mess with is some more sunday and get back.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-15-09 21:38
I Got a flat tire on the way home after putting this on. Damn!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-17-09 17:45
Got it running in the middle setting. seems good the power is smooth and not eratic. I will go buy a timing light and get it right.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-17-09 18:01
also my setup is
magnum
e50
k-star 70cc
19mmphbg
88 main jet
42 pilot
w7 needle on the leanest setting
tecno boss pipe
15×40 gearing
b7hs plug
50+ bike
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jlserrano (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jlserrano
- Date Posted: 05-17-09 23:38
- Attachment: 1242617931_photomoto_0068.jpg
Well Martian you were right, stator in the center, pickup on right (how it was mailed), coil with white adhesive on top. This thing is insane in terms of my bottom end. didn’t open cause it’s kind of chilly now in Chicago but I can only imagine. didn’t connect my headlight but i connected sme tailights i bought from radio shack that never really illuminated that good. Now they’re fuckin brighter than my bike light, lol!!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jlserrano (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jlserrano
- Date Posted: 05-17-09 23:40
it’s on an e50
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 00:15
Yeah, I have to keep looking behind me when riding at night because I think a car is tailgating me, but it’s just my headlights :)
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jlserrano (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jlserrano
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 02:15
hey martian, email sent
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 13:10
So where you guys mounting the cdi coil/box? I mounted in the stock location and I am having some severe electrical gremlins. Ran great for the first 3 miles or so and now starts cutting out.
I’m gonna re wire today and make sure all my connections are good, but this was a serious bummer going to work today.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: trux (---.static.reno.nv.charter.com)
- Verified User: trux
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 15:12
Just an update: I haven’t ridden around too much, or gone too far, but man, this CDI destroys. I am breaking in a new kit, so no top speed test yet, but the power overall is great.
Left the pick-up on the right, installed the stator in the middle, mounted the CDI/coil to the stock mount on an E50. Cut and rewired the whole thing; the wires are long!
No lights yet, because treats was out of the voltage regulator. I might skip it and just get some 12v high watt car bulbs and make them fit (I did that on a Tomos once, it works great). Super bright!
I wish I had more I could say to those having problems.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: ffreddie (97.67.47.---)
- Verified User: ffreddie
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 15:31
I think 1977 has the 12v regulator now
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Quick (---.eug.clearwire-dns.net)
- Verified User: quickreference
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 16:02
does the bosch puch flywheel puller work on the new flywheel?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 16:18
I got some generic LED taillight installed, works well. Also just used my stock 6v light. Its quite bright but hasn’t blown yet.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: babooze (---.nmci.navy.mil)
- Verified User: babooze
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 17:15
how does this cdi compare to an hpi or a powerdynamo in performance?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Responsible Jon (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
philip - Date Posted: 05-18-09 17:26
The flywheel takes the standard puch flywheel puller.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Quick (---.eug.clearwire-dns.net)
- Verified User: quickreference
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 18:18
thanks
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 19:42
rode it to work today, wow! the power is so smooth, and I have got to be going quite a bit faster but I have no way of knowing.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: benji treatland (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: monster
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 23:26
ripppppers yeahhh
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-18-09 23:33
So after taking it apart, the red wire had a cold solder joint on the coil and had come off. Fixed the wire and it runs good as new.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: hawkns (---.249.231.81.nptpop-cmts01-cable-sub.rdns-bn)
ryanhawkins - Date Posted: 05-19-09 11:31
I dont get it, I had mine on the left, and it ran ok, but I think I was getting erratic spark or something, then I came here and read that people were running them on the right and they were ripping, so went ahead and swapped, and it runs even worse. E50 btw.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 05-20-09 10:34
Has annyone figured out the timing range on the stator with a timing light? What I mean is, how many mm’s BTDC is fully retarded? how many mm’s BTDC is fully advanced?
Thanks…
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 05-20-09 10:36
I realize that there is probably a curve, but give me your best ideas/findings.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: trux (---.static.reno.nv.charter.com)
- Verified User: trux
- Date Posted: 05-20-09 16:03
So I didn’t wait for the voltage regulator. I installed a 12v 51w halogen car bulb instead.
It’s bright. ... yeah. Like, really though.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-21-09 12:06
Anyone know the thread pitch? I am moving my pickup – it runs too retarded at the original location for an E50.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: hawkns (---.249.231.81.nptpop-cmts01-cable-sub.rdns-bn)
ryanhawkins - Date Posted: 05-21-09 13:19
4mm x .70 is what I used
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: elliot (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
elliot - Date Posted: 05-21-09 13:36
i think all the vendors have em sorted out by now i just installed both the 1 speed and 2 speed versions from 1977 w/o any pickup location mods using all the components (including regulators) that came in the package and they both ran like champs. I had never installed these b4 and asked no one to help just to see if it really was a piece of cake and yep sure was. Super self explanatory.
I didn’t timing light em but the best place to be on a puch generally is 17degree btdc, i set the timing on em slightly advanced from the middle of the stator slots.
goodluck cdi is cool
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-21-09 13:57
The positions on the pickups vs left and right side look to be a timing difference of 15 degrees or so, left side being 15 degrees advanced from the right side (haven’t measured exact)
Leaving the pickup on the right side runs well but even with the stator set to full advance i can tell its still retarded from where I had it before with the points. The low end is a little saggy, top end revs out more, and the pipe gets much hotter.
If I still had the leovince pipe on, it would have been fine since it had the low end. With that pipe I would run the stator in the middle with points. The estoril I have now has much higher powerband and was faster overall with much more advance. Hopefully getting the pickup moved over will help get the advance that I need.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-21-09 14:00
So I just read what elliot wrote, I had the timing in the middle advanced it a bit and it seems even better. pickup is on the right by the way.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-21-09 14:00
brian, which box are you running.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: elliot (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
elliot - Date Posted: 05-21-09 14:16
the box makes all the difference, both treats and 77 had the wrong boxes for 1 and 2 speeds initially or they where switched etc. IDK about treats but as of last week any one who gets one from 77 will have the correct box for their specified motor that installs w/o modification.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-21-09 14:26
I’m using treats box
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jason (---.socal.res.rr.com)
- Verified User: xjasonx
- Date Posted: 05-21-09 16:11
is the 77 kit coming with the voltage regulator? or are you all buying that from treats?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-21-09 23:13
Moved from right side to left side. 4mm x .7 worked perfectly!
Definitely has a lot more bottom end!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-21-09 23:39
What positon are the screws on the stator?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-21-09 23:46
About 3/4 the way to full advance. It probably is a little bit too much advanced right now as it was sputtering a little on the top end, that or I need to open up my main jet.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-22-09 08:49
I was wondering, everytime I start the bike up and it is cold, I get a slight hesatation. but as soon as it warms up it is fine.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-22-09 13:15
Mine was doing that before I got it advanced some more. Also could be that you have a slightly small idle jet, or too lean on the needle.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: elliot (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
elliot - Date Posted: 05-22-09 13:37
all 77 kits come with regulators
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jason (---.socal.res.rr.com)
- Verified User: xjasonx
- Date Posted: 05-22-09 18:01
sweet, do they have an e50 setups left? website is showing ony za50 and that we have to supply our own volt reg, but in the picture it looks like it has one..
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jlserrano (24.12.106.---)
- Verified User: jlserrano
- Date Posted: 05-22-09 21:26
- Attachment: 1243041997_cdiinstall.jpg
Jason, read on top. self explanatory like elliott said.
jose
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jessegar_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-22-09 21:30
So I moved the stator on the left side, Ran like crap, was missing out like crazy and could never get up to top speed. this is with the Treat’s box. I have found that it runs best slightly advanced like elliot did.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jessegar_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-22-09 21:30
Pickup not Stator
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Eric (---.lsanca.fios.verizon.net)
- Verified User: e1432
- Date Posted: 05-22-09 21:55
So I just put my cdi on last night, I have an e50 with a kstar crank, kstar 70 kit, boss pipe, phbg clone, 180 psi on my comp guage. I have about 300 miles or so on it now running points, fully advanced stator with a point gap of .020. I was hitting about 45mph. I stupidly never put the timing light on it with the points to see how much advance it had. So I put on the cdi from treats with there box. First I installed it with the pickup on the right with the stator set in the middle, not enough timing so I fully advanced it and I was getting about six or seven degrees. Still not enough. So I switched it to the left and with the stator in the middle I got around 10 degrees. Now I am not sure how much timing my motor will take but with the pickup on the left my bike will only rev to about six thousand rpm then it missfires like hell and will not rev up any more. Does anyone know how much timing an e50 should take? Also has anyone else hade this problem, and what was your solution. It was my understanding that I could give it at least 12 degrees with out detonation but the box just cuts out with the pickup on the left.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jessegar_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-22-09 22:22
yea man Just run it on the right side. slightly advanced. I had and now have almost the exact setup you have. it is faster that is was before.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: human drew (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
- Verified User: dog_poopie
- Date Posted: 05-24-09 07:22
the pick up can be on either side because the cdi fires every 180 degrees
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jessegar_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-24-09 21:34
When I put it on the left side it fire all crazy and ran like shit!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRacers (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 05-25-09 05:04
flip the coil then.
I am currently under the impression that the coils come orientated different ways as I’ve seen both on on a handful of stators. The more I think about all this, the more mysterious it becomes. Regardless, there are tons of holes, 2 pickup spots, and 2 coil orientations, so it can be made to work on just about anything with enough patience.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jessegar_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-25-09 08:44
So the big question is. which combo of coil a pickup locaton works best.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Rob Farmer (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: troll666
- Date Posted: 05-25-09 12:49
anybody have problems with an unbalanced flywheel? I heard they wobble a bit!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jessegar_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-25-09 12:51
yes mine wobbles a bit. no problems so far and I have a couple 100 miles on mine.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRacers (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 05-25-09 14:15
they all seem to wobble, but don’t worry.
1.8-2.0mm BTDC works best, so its getting your stator positioned to do that, then it rips.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-25-09 22:24
Ditto on the wobble, mine does a bit.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: vic (70.102.2.---)
vic - Date Posted: 05-25-09 23:14
stock flywheel works, over the cdi stator. it fires at a different spot than the cdi flywheel does, so im clueless on how to time it. somebody should investigate that, my puch is in limbo right now so i havent had a chance to test it further.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: jack mast (---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
- Verified User: jackmastive
- Date Posted: 05-25-09 23:41
- Attachment: 1243309319_stator.jpg
This was the advise Graham French gave me to install the CDI on an E50. Leave the pick up on the right side (the way the CDI arrives) it does not need to be flipped to the other side. You need to rotate the CDI completely clockwise (what would be completely retarded with a points system). make sure the bolt on the left side is in the bottom of the mounting hole then tighten it down and the one on the opposite side where it lies. Attached is a picture of the CDI I highlighted where the bolt should be.
The pictures is not mine, I took it from 1977’s website, and the advise is not mine, its from Graham. But it worked perfectly for me.
enjoy.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRacers (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 05-26-09 01:36
simply mark tdc somewhere both on the flywheel and on the case. Get either a degree wheel, micrometer, or timing tool like treats sells, and get a timing light. An impact wrench will spin your flywheel and the timing light will show you where the mark is relative to the flywheel. Get that mark to 1.8mm btdc and go fast.
Graham’s advice seems fine, but always check with a timing light. I’ve seen the stator ignition coil mounted both directions from the box, so you want to verify the advance is working properly and that its actually firing where it should be. I spent the last 2-3 days playing with this and other stators on a derbi, so getting it to work on a puch shouldn’t take much more than an hour.
Do realize that the pickup can be moved then the entire stator repositioned basically yielding the same results.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: emmanuel lewis (12.43.175.---)
- Verified User: biosfear
- Date Posted: 05-27-09 18:10
flywheel wobble is the suck.. just replaced my stock flywheel with a brand new one after dealing with a tiny bit of wobbling at higher temps after a woodruff key incident. but, i was just told that there is no way in hell the flywheels that come with the CDIs would ever wobble which doesn’t seem the case. and since i have a buttery new flywheel from treats, was hoping i could use it with the CDI kit as well. ever get it working right Vic?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: vic (71.20.208.---)
vic - Date Posted: 05-27-09 18:22
nope. my engine is in pieces right now, didnt get a chance to test it. use the stock flywheel and rotate the stator till it runs properly.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: dallas (---.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
- Verified User: billyburgles
- Date Posted: 05-27-09 21:40
who here has had their points set super proper, and still gotten results out of the cdi? it seems like a lot of people could get awesome results out of cdi if their points were stock, or off. Just wondering. ???
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: gaber (---.dhcp.insightbb.com)
gabeb - Date Posted: 05-28-09 02:06
dallas, i had my points set to exactly 1.65 btdc (points box/micrometer) before the cdi, and i could definitely notice the results. there’s a lot more pickup through the low/midrange and it’s more consistent on the top end.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-28-09 20:20
The only gain I got was a little more bottom end, smoother running.
The main reason I put it on was for the nice 12v power. Now I can see where I’m going at night.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Eric (---.lsanca.fios.verizon.net)
- Verified User: e1432
- Date Posted: 05-28-09 20:39
I had my point system working as good as it gets with the timing set 1.7mm and the bike ripped pretty hard. After I figured out the timing on my cdi it seems like the power all through the midrange is smoother and with the extra advance on the top end its hitting more rpm than ever before. I gained close to 5mph on top. All in all I am pretty stoked on this thing, plus my lights are bright as f@#$ with the 12v coil. All smiles over here.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: mycon deep (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
- Verified User: scottbirdsey
- Date Posted: 05-29-09 21:21
guys; do i need to use woodruff key on e50. for some reason i feel like i read somewhere, maybe on treats, that you dont. but now i cant find where it may have said that. thanks.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jessegar_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-29-09 21:28
yes you want you use your key
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.fuse.net)
timr - Date Posted: 05-30-09 09:42
all the key does is help you mount the flywheel on the shaft so that your timing is in the right area and can then be tuned by rotating your stator in the slots. you don’t have to use it but i don’t see why you wouldn’t want to.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.fuse.net)
timr - Date Posted: 05-30-09 09:45
e50
polini
19 dellorto
boss pipe (for now)
left the pickup where it came out of the box. stator 3/4 or maybe a little bit more advanced.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.fuse.net)
timr - Date Posted: 05-30-09 10:03
love the 12V lights.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: angry (---.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: angry
- Date Posted: 05-31-09 10:58
Anybody putting their flywheel cover back on? Mine got a little hot, not sure how hot it’s suposed to get, never had an E50 before, kitted with MK65
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jessegar_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 05-31-09 11:24
My flywheel cover is on. But i don’t know why that would make a difference.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: forrest (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
jonr - Date Posted: 05-31-09 13:13
With the pickup on the right:
Unable to advance the timing enough to run right, maybe a total of 10 degrees at idle, reving to almost 15 degrees.
With the pickup on the left:
Unable to retard the timing enough to run right, firing more than 20 degrees before TDC at idle and reving to about 25 or so. Choppy firing, pre-detonation. Bad.
So.. I moved the pickup back to the right side, opened up the slots on the stator another 1-2mm so I could adjust for a little more advanced timing at idle. Bingo. Idles just under 17 degrees before TDC and revs to something a little over 20 degrees.
Results: Smoother idle than with my points (which were dialed in spot on 17 degrees before TDC), no breaker “float” at high end alowing for a few more R’s and (I haven’t GPSed it yet, but..) I’m assuming a hair more top speed.
No “voltage regulator.” Instead, I have a 55w Halogen tractor bulb ($16 from pep boys) and an 1156 tail light bulb in back both running on the same circuit. That halogen really lights up the night. I can already tell cars see me better.
For now, I am quite happy. I got what I wanted, reliability and brighter lights. Time will tell if these are durable. I sure hope thay are! Oh yeah, I calculated my timing with a dial indicator on the piston travel/simple algebra, and used a timing light to check. (1.2mm of piston travel is the stock 17 degrees before TDC setting).
Hope what I’m sharing is helpful! Good luck!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 05-31-09 18:10
Ditto on keeping it on the right. I had to move mine back because I couldn’t get it to rev out – it would cut and die on me quite a bit. I will be cutting my slots bigger as well to get a bit more advance with it on the right.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 06-01-09 09:18
I want to fully advance mine now. I’m almost fully advanced (without modifying the slots) so i may as well go all the way. My low end could use a little extra boost even though its not bad as is. I went on a 50 mile ride yesterday and was ripping on the top end. Revs out nice and smooth with no cut-outs. Probably gave me a couple mph’s up top.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: mycon deep (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
- Verified User: scottbirdsey
- Date Posted: 06-01-09 21:29
man, I started up this new build with the cdi fresh on, its a 70cc airsal, the bike started to rev by itself (i would think that means theres an air leak somewhere?), I dont have a working kill switch currently so I just pulled the boot out by the spark wire. and it shocked the crap out of me, like arm muscles seizing up and not being able to let go. which I don’t get at all. how the hell can you get shocked by a new, obviously insulated spark wire. the lighting wire and kill switch wire are unwired but weren’t touching anything.. pretty positive i didn’t touch anything else. the two grounding wires, brown and blck/white are both grounded against the lil frame that bolts the cdi box onto the old coil spot..i was chcking for spark a bunch before holding that wire and nothing happened. dont get it. Now i’m too scared. heh.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRacers (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 06-01-09 22:00
Yea put on a good kill switch. I zapped myself silly twice and it wasn’t very fun.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 06-01-09 23:55
The CDI is pretty powerful from what I gather. I tested mine out on a lathe before mounting it on the moped, and was able to pull a centimeter long spark between the spark wire and the ground.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: mycon DEEP (---.eypae.com)
- Verified User: scottbirdsey
- Date Posted: 06-02-09 09:05
Yeah; I mean, I dont think I had it wired wrong or anything; I didn’t move the ground from the back of the stator to front, so it was up against the engine case, but I don’t see how that would do anything. It seemed ridiculously powerful; I felt the desolate one going through my entire body; freaky
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 06-02-09 09:27
kill switches are so cheap and so nice.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: todd (---.inebraska.com)
- Verified User: hotrodtodd
- Date Posted: 06-02-09 12:22
Points are the new cdi.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: GAR Name: BLAST! (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: retrorider
- Date Posted: 06-03-09 02:24
I got the ZA50 box from Treats today. Unfortunately, I was working on the Pinto all day … major changes, but that’s another story. Anyway, super late tonight I finally switched it for the E50 box, turned off all the lights in my garage, and did a test to see if I had spark. consistent blue … nice spark … I am so excited … I would’ve run out and tried to start it, even though it’s 11 PM, but I am so fried … tomorrow, my friends, tomorrow .. . we will see if my ‘66 Sears/Puch Sabre works with the ZA50 box.
P.S. to Weeder: 77’s hasn’t had that kill switch in stock in forever. the website says it’s in stock, but it isn’t. you can get it as a “go kart” kill switch on e-bay …
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 06-03-09 09:29
wierd. i just got one a month ago.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Kevin (38.99.33.---)
- Verified User: voightkampff
- Date Posted: 06-03-09 18:03
I got 2 yesterday
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: GAR Name: BLAST! (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: retrorider
- Date Posted: 06-03-09 22:08
well, what do I know? I asked a few weeks ago and they told me they hadn’t had them in stock in ages and they kept showing up as in stock on the website but they didn’t have them … what I was told, no lie … lol …
okay, so … fuck, yeah, the Sabre is alive thanks to Benji’s magical ZA50 Box and the CDI sweetness … now I just have to put the lights all back together and get it registered and I will be on the road … fuck, I am so stoked …
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 06-03-09 22:32
Today I finally got it off and advanced the timing more by opening up the slots. Definitely picked up the bottom end, top end unchanged.
Overall I think its a decent kit and now that I have it dialed in I wont be taking the timing cover off again to worry about points.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Brian (---.net)
- Verified User: ldm314
- Date Posted: 06-03-09 22:52
I posted up a page on the wiki about these kits. Can be found here:
http://www.mopedarmy.com/wiki/Puch_cdi
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: moonshiner (---.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: moonshiner
- Date Posted: 06-04-09 00:15
I’ve been using industrial rocker switches from radio shack and have been for a while.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: mycon DEEP (---.eypae.com)
- Verified User: scottbirdsey
- Date Posted: 06-04-09 09:05
yep; got one at advanced autozone. no need to pay shipping costs on something that universal.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: ja (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: svek
- Date Posted: 06-07-09 13:55
I’m just a spectator right now, planning a build and doing research basically..
But could you CDI guys open up your plug gap to like .070 to get more power? It sounds like the CDI could juice it well enough.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: john (24.1.228.---)
johnmcclurg - Date Posted: 06-07-09 17:09
What kind of bulbs are people using successfully on these? I bought 2 CDIs, 1 za50 and 1 e50. I was running a 55w halogen w/ the regulator on my za50 and had no problems… switched that headlight over to my e50 setup and it blew the bulb in about 4 trips around the block while tuning the carb.
WTF!!!!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: weeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 06-08-09 09:42
Are you running a regulator on both setups. If so, do they maybe wire up differently?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.MIT.EDU)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 06-08-09 09:54
Automotive headlights
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Tyson (---.dia.static.qwest.net)
- Verified User: tyratliff
- Date Posted: 06-08-09 11:13
I ordered the ZA50 set up from treats for my E50 one speed and now the item description says that it won’t work on a one speed setup. Why would it not work? Why does no one have the e50 boxes? Has anyone gotten the ZA50 box to work on their e50? I’m planning on installing the CDI later this week but I don’t want to wast my time if the box won’t work. If this box is not going to work, can some one recommend a place to get one that will work?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: John (---.publicisgroupe.com)
johnmcclurg - Date Posted: 06-08-09 11:13
Yes these are 55w halogen sylvania cars lamps. Tim, the wiring is identical on both bikes. The only difference is the e50 setup is the treats CDI/Coil combo while the za50 is the one from 77. Regardless none of that effects the lighting coil anyway. Gonna try the regulator off my za50 with a new bulb. Shit is getting expensive though.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: gaber (---.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net)
gabeb - Date Posted: 06-08-09 12:02
i ran my 6v bulb for 3 weeks until i finally got a regular 12v. neither one has blown and i’m not running a tail light.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: craigp (---.dhcp.insightbb.com)
craigp - Date Posted: 06-16-09 23:32
i just installed my ZA50 cdi. it fucking rips so much better. i can’t believe it really.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: gaber (---.static.insightbb.com)
gabeb - Date Posted: 06-17-09 11:40
hell yeah craig! you know if anyone has a timing light? my timing feels spot on, but i’d still like to check it.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: craigp (---.dhcp.insightbb.com)
craigp - Date Posted: 06-17-09 16:52
gabe i agree man. my low is a bit iffy but i still need to tweek some. i’m sure i’ll get it dialed in. a timing light would be great. lemme know if you find one.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Code Name: BLAST! (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: retrorider
- Date Posted: 06-17-09 17:41
I put mine on my Pinto and it rips!
Is there a consensus on whether or not to put the cover back on? I kinda like the way it looks with the cover off, but I should probably put it back on sometime.
I bought automotive bulbs from Kragen. Super bright. For the Sabre I had to get a special bulb (huge and weird looking) that I had to order online. Awesome.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: tdc (---.tukw.qwest.net)
dean - Date Posted: 06-17-09 23:37
mine showed up today and i have successfully bolted it up to my 505 sachs. i didn’t get a high tension coil with it, so i have to dig one up before i can try it out.
anyone else throw one on a sachs yet?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Crazy Wayne (---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
- Verified User: powerchair
- Date Posted: 06-18-09 03:03
No but it works on a sack of shit M48
Fast Bat out
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: tuna sled (---.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com)
- Verified User: ryan609
- Date Posted: 06-18-09 03:47
Put the cover on if you want, It won’t make it perform any differently, quit being a pussy if you are that worried about cosmetics.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: rockles (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
mikerock - Date Posted: 06-18-09 03:50
terrydean – rob harris put a za50 cdi on his 2 speed 505 sachs. this is so gnarly nasty. so fast. bolted right up pretty much.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: gaber (---.static.insightbb.com)
gabeb - Date Posted: 06-18-09 14:17
i dremeled out the stator slots a bit to allow for further advancing per jon’s advice.
there’s a writeup with pics on my blog.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: tdc (---.tukw.qwest.net)
dean - Date Posted: 06-18-09 15:26
mike, that’s rad. same motor i threw this on, 505/2
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: rockles (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
mikerock - Date Posted: 06-18-09 16:46
yup. hes running an 80cc reeded athena i think, 21 phbg, zen pipe. its like 55 plus im pretty sure
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: tdc (---.tukw.qwest.net)
dean - Date Posted: 06-18-09 19:47
i’m stock, stock sachs bing carb, no filter and a tomos estoril. also dropped the rear sprocket from 46t to 36t. i’m somewhere around 40, which isn’t bad for a mostly stock sachs! super super reliable, too!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Jewish (---.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)
- Verified User: jewish
- Date Posted: 06-25-09 16:18
So yeah I am going to order this tomorrow for my new project. I will be putting this CDI on a completely stock 77 rigid E50. We will see how this thing works on a stock ped. whoot
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Kyle the Velvet Quaker (---.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: heartpeugeot
- Date Posted: 06-25-09 16:20
I’m going to pick one up tomorrow in the store. Hopefully i’ll be able to tune it in, and give you guys some timing numbers and such!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Code Name: BLAST! (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: retrorider
- Date Posted: 06-25-09 22:50
Kyle, it is money well spent. You will be sooooo happy. Let me know when you’re gonna be down there. I will come meet you and say hi.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRacers (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 06-26-09 02:54
shop fest 09. Maybe a lone cuperteen will be seen.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Kyle the Velvet Quaker (---.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: heartpeugeot
- Date Posted: 06-26-09 03:38
I’ll be there around 12ish, i gotta get there bright and early. I’ll text you rob
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: cheapsk8 (---.fuse.net)
- Verified User: cheapsk8
- Date Posted: 06-26-09 14:29
what is the difference between the version 1 and version 2 CDI boxes at treats?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: dallas (---.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
- Verified User: billyburgles
- Date Posted: 06-27-09 02:37
gabe, your blog is awesome.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Kyle the Velvet Quaker (---.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: heartpeugeot
- Date Posted: 06-27-09 06:25
Got mine fired up tonight but its 3am, i don’t wanna go rippin up and down the street with my loud ass pipe. Well see how it works tomorrow! Gotta redo some wiring for my headlight, it could be because i ghetto shoved a wire into a spade connector. I’m stoked!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Rob Farmer (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
- Verified User: troll666
- Date Posted: 06-27-09 14:13
whats the white wire for? yeah, i know you can just hook it up per the diagram and it will work but I like to know what things are for!! I’m using a korado cdi box and have spark with:
red to ht coil
brown to ground
yellow to lights
white to nothing and it works!!
i tried touching the white to the engine to see if it stopped the spark and it still sparks. i plugged it in to verde on my box and no spark. maybe its just a kill and needs to be properly grounded!!!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: terrydean (---.tukw.qwest.net)
dean - Date Posted: 06-27-09 18:47
um, white wire is the trigger
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: elliot (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
elliot - Date Posted: 07-02-09 13:37
how r u guys still having trouble installing these they bolt up for e50 and za50 with regulators and have instructions on the box.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: _Jesse_ (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 07-02-09 13:41
The thread is back!
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: I DON'T TRUST M.A. (---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
- Verified User: powerchair
- Date Posted: 07-03-09 16:54
Very very strang now this post is back up.
HAY M.A. STOP FUCKING WITH THE POST.
M.A is starting to piss me off.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: terrydean (---.tukw.qwest.net)
dean - Date Posted: 07-03-09 17:55
yer an idiot.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 07-04-09 00:16
Very very strang now this post is back up.
HAY M.A. STOP FUCKING WITH THE POST.
M.A is starting to piss me off.
Would this be “gar”? :)
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: Mark GSE (---.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)
- Verified User: guerillagrip
- Date Posted: 07-04-09 13:08
Just finished installing mine, 1977 CDI and 12v regulator with the treats CDI box.
left the thing on the side it came on relocated the brown ground from back to front shorter screw no dremeling of slots about 3/4 advance started up first try. A little ew on the bottom end but top or almost top end is great so smooth i love this thing!!!!
O its on an e50 to .
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: dallas (---.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
- Verified User: billyburgles
- Date Posted: 07-04-09 13:59
is anyone changing their spark plug gap? some people have already asked this but haven’t got an answer yet. I’m getting interested in whether you can make your gap bigger, smaller?
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: Mark GSE (---.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)
- Verified User: guerillagrip
- Date Posted: 07-04-09 16:17
i kept mine where where it was seems fine gonna go ride around a bit now happy 4th!!!!
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: dallas (---.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
- Verified User: billyburgles
- Date Posted: 07-04-09 17:09
it seems fine, but I want my shit to rip so I can keep up with the pros!
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: Mark GSE (---.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
- Verified User: guerillagrip
- Date Posted: 07-04-09 18:39
took it on a short ride, low end at 3/4 full advance ish (no exact numbers sorry) was not great midrange seems smooth as well as top end but i havent opened it up all the way, it went on so easy im afraid something bad is gonna happen but so far so good!!!!
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: slop (146.74.224.---)
- Verified User: troll666
- Date Posted: 07-07-09 16:39
know one cares about the wobble huh?? I guess if your blasting, your blasting!!
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: tweeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 07-07-09 16:42
i have no wobble
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.MIT.EDU)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 07-07-09 17:28
Yours is wobbling? Perhaps it’s not tightened down enough.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: terrydean (---.tukw.qwest.net)
dean - Date Posted: 07-07-09 18:31
what wobble??
i took mine off my sachs for now. timing light told me i was 30deg retarded, even at full advance, and i gotta have this bike ready to pack up tomorrow night, so i’m back to points for now.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: trickMETRIC (---.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
- Verified User: trickmetric
- Date Posted: 07-08-09 03:04
I second this question:
What is the difference between the version 1 and version 2 CDI boxes at treats?
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: leftovers (---.176.42.254.ptr.us.xo.net)
- Verified User: leftovers
- Date Posted: 07-08-09 08:13
Just got mine last week. I moved the ground wire to the front and dremeled out the slots before I installed it, just in case. I set it to full advance, but it doesn’t run very well at idle/low rpm. The engine is making a funny noise and running rough. I’m assuming that is because of pre-ignition. I’m going to back it off a bit and see how that works. Everything besides the low rpm seems to be perfect.
FYI…I picked up an 1156 light bulb for the headlight and 5007 (5w) for the tail light. If you are going to run a brake light it will be 5008 (10w).
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.MIT.EDU)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 07-08-09 09:35
I do wish we have more specs on the boxes
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: mark (---.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com)
- Verified User: tomos_93tt
- Date Posted: 07-08-09 12:49
I installed mine with no modifications other than relocating the ground. The timing ended up being within the factory spec range for the E50 with the stator set to full advance.
The bike is running great and fires up noticeably quicker.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: trickMETRIC (---.id-adesign.com)
- Verified User: trickmetric
- Date Posted: 07-08-09 13:29
I want to buy a CDI from treats for my ZA50. Which version should I buy; V1 or V2? I’m kind of guessing V1 is the box that was causing lots of confusion over flipping the pickup & and V2 is the one with the bugs worked out? If that’s the case, why would anybody want a V1 box?
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: emmanuel lewis (12.43.175.---)
- Verified User: biosfear
- Date Posted: 07-08-09 18:07
so, when you relocate the brown ground, do you need to flip the screw or chop it at all? just wondering what the clearance is like before i bolt mine up..
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: jlserrano (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jlserrano
- Date Posted: 07-08-09 21:49
what? no, go get a smaller screw at a home depot or hardware store.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRacers (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 07-08-09 22:50
what is “full advance”? How many mm or degress is that?
THere are many slots for the bolts. I’d highly recommend EVERYONE get a timing light and do this the right way. I’m sure it runs well for many people, but to get the most, dial that timing in, somewhere between 1.8 to 2.0 mm BTDC. Its really not that hard to time a bike. All you need is a timing light and either a degree ruler or some nice calipers. Think, the CDI is so cheap, so buy the right tool to set it properly. Again, I know it can work, but over-advanced timing can lead to some nasty problems. Thats my rant for now.
Time you shit right!
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: dallas (---.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
- Verified User: billyburgles
- Date Posted: 07-08-09 23:13
yo cuper dude, I second yr thoughts on the timing lights and whatnot. I am in a position where I set points and timing for the whole city, but purely go off of what fred’s guide says. I would kill to have such luxuries.
the treats cdi I ran in all positions and it worked well. fully advanced in laymen terms would be twisting the unit all of the way counterclockwise. that is pretty good timing. I did the ghostrider gabe mod and dremeled about 1.5 mm out more advanced and set it. I advanced it all of the way, but got a few pffffs and weird timing sounds, so I backed it off about .5mm and it’s up and ripping.
doing cool shit the pro way is awesome, and I prefer that. but let’s not forget that these things are basically lawnmowers that half retarded inbred slack jawed yokels from Indianer can fix, build and tune, and make go fast.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRacers (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 07-09-09 00:05
yes of course anyone can make it work, but you could spend just a little extra cash and have it run even better. Sure simply rotating the stator and seeing what feels best works, I’ve done it myself, but often with mopeds, what feels best often isn’t best. We sure run fast when we lean out. I hate seeing pistons with holes in them or weird shrapnel destroy a piston crown.
Regardless, I’ve tested basically all of these boxes and timing positions, coil flips and what not. Myself and 2 friends were essentially benji’s guinea pigs for all this beyond his own testing the previous 2 years. My idea of cdi was set it and forget it. This didn’t initially happen, but once I timing my bike, verified everything was in order, it has been amazingly reliable since. So I dunno, I guess I just want everyone to experience the awesomeness we have. When I hear “low end is now lacking”, I’m very sure the timing is not correct, because we’ve all had all around gains, low end, mid range(!) and top end.
If this is performance tuning and a results thread of this CDI, the idea should be to maximize performance, and while you can say “advance it a bit more”, someone may have the stator in the wrong slots, the coil could be flipped wrong, or a whole host of other issues. A timing light is the only sure way to make sure each setup is actually set. Sure its lawnmower tech or whatever, but if you are spending any money on performance parts, you want your shit to rip. So whatever, take my advice for what its worth, or not. I guess I just want everyone to have something awesome, and this (or any ignition setup) is really the key to the power your moped makes. If your ignition timing sucks, no matter what you do, your bike will suck.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: paul (---.pypertool.com)
- Verified User: vdubbin
- Date Posted: 07-09-09 06:17
Will someone make up a DIY on how to time them correct then ?? I’d like to do it right but not totally sure how.
Sure i can mill the slot out 1-2 mm full advance and blast but how do i know thats right and the right timing ?
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: tweeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 07-09-09 09:30
a timing light.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: mark (---.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com)
- Verified User: tomos_93tt
- Date Posted: 07-09-09 09:30
At “full advance” (the limit of adjustment), I checked the timing with a light and it fell a bit short of the 1.65mm BTDC mark I had laid out on the flywheel using a dial indicator. The maximum advance on my particular unmodified stator appears to be within the stock timing range for the E50.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: ed (---.myactv.net)
- Verified User: mopagen
- Date Posted: 07-09-09 10:22
Also .. get a white paint marker.. you will be able to see the timing marks when you shot the light.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: tweeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 07-09-09 10:27
good call ed. black sharpie is not super visible.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: rob farmer (146.74.224.---)
- Verified User: troll666
- Date Posted: 07-09-09 11:38
no wobble huh, I guess i got a crapper. i have heard others wobble as well!! some do, some don’t i guess. lame!!
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: cuperRacers (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
- Verified User: boardmonger
- Date Posted: 07-09-09 13:04
I’ve got a very slight wobble, rob, don’t worry, its fine. Took my 2 speed over 65 with no problems.
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: rob farmer (146.74.224.---)
- Verified User: troll666
- Date Posted: 07-09-09 13:16
Zack, I’m gonna have to hit you guys up for some Cuperteen timing!! probably in a week or so my super dart is gonna be ready to hit the streets!!
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: Mark GSE (---.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)
- Verified User: guerillagrip
- Date Posted: 07-09-09 16:41
This may be a stoopid question but what and where are the timing marks? a pic would help thanks!!
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: jlserrano (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jlserrano
- Date Posted: 07-09-09 23:36
Hey cuper, is it true i need to take my timer and connect it to a battery? explain the process. I’d like to hear. also in advancing stator all the way with no dremeled slots, i should be seeing about 1.6 btdc correct?
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Re: The remix of theCDI 12v results here
- Author: Mars (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
- Verified User: martian
- Date Posted: 07-10-09 00:46
Mark: you usually need to make them. there are tools to insert into the spark plug hole and give you an indication of piston position; you can just use a pencil or something to poke in there and find top dead center. Then, score your case and magneto at that spot.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: tweeder (---.com)
timr - Date Posted: 07-10-09 10:08
I posted this in the ignition timing values thread, but it is probably more appropriate here:
my stator is unmodified as of right now, and fully advanced. the advance curve on these boxes seems to advance quickly through the lower RPMs and then level out to a slower advance at higher rpms. because of this, how high you have your idle set effects your timing at idle quite significantly. a really low idle was dropping my timing to around 0.8-1.0mm BTDC. A decently quick idle had the advance to about 1.2mm BTDC. Once revved up the engine it would advance to about 1.5mm BTDC at maybe 8000 RPM (just a guess) but at that point the advance curve seemed to have levelled off significantly.
I’m guessing it would have maybe gotten to 1.6mm BTDC at around 10,000 RPM.
All that being said, I think the stator does need about a mm more room to advance the timing to where you would want it on a high performance set-up like a Puch Polini. On a close-to-stock set up the stator would be perfect at full advance without slot modification.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Jesse (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
- Verified User: jtbechtold
- Date Posted: 07-10-09 10:32
yea tweeder I did what you said a while back and dremeled out 1-2mm have been blasting this baby to work everyday and on a couple 60 mile rides.
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Mark GSE (---.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)
- Verified User: guerillagrip
- Date Posted: 07-10-09 10:52
Thanks Martin i’ll need to get me some proper tools i guess. Im at full advance right now on an e50 with eurokit 50cc 17 del clone and a boss pipe. My low end feels better still not amazing but better. WOT this thing is a beast sooo smooth over all the bike just sounds better idk if thats just in my head or what but i love this thing. Best Puch mod for 2009!!!!
NO FLYWHEEL COVER FTW!!!!!
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: Jackytwoshoes (---.zone3.bethere.co.uk)
- Verified User: jackytwoshoes
- Date Posted: 11-16-09 16:42
Hmmm got mine on the way….!
Got the voltage regultor from treats too- so I’m thinking just a 12v 50 head and tail light and I’m done…...?
What light set ups have other people gone for?
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Re: Puch CDI 12v results here
- Author: John (---.hr.hr.cox.net)
joseph - Date Posted: 11-16-09 17:30
i have 12v 21 watt bulbs in front, rear and a hardwired brake light. They were the highest wattage bulbs autozone had and they haven’t blown yet.
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