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DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: informant (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
- Verified User: informant
- Date Posted: 10-14-05 23:05
I have some important advice for anyone considering buying a scooter from GS Motorworks. ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY OR TIME! They are faulty to the core!!!
I can hardly even begin to tell you the horror story that has unfolded since I purchased one of their scooters.
I will try to be as brief as I can. The story is too long and depressing for me to rehash in much detail. The only thing I can say is that the scooter hasn’t run since it was delivered. They don’t know how to fix it. They won’t pay for any mechanical work to get it running and they won’t give me a refund. They’ll give you new parts all day long, but the parts are worthless pieces of junk. Their website states all of their policies in the warranty, but one would think a brand new scooter would work, for say maybe 2 years before breaking down. Not in this case. There aren’t even 2 miles on the thing.
Just remember the old saying, “You always get what you pay for.” I didn’t and now I’m paying for it in the worst way. I’ve got no scooter to drive me to work. But I do have one driving me crazy every day!
-informant
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: UKBB (---.iad.untd.com)
- Verified User: ukbb
- Date Posted: 10-14-05 23:30
If I had to boycott every business that anyone had trouble with I wouldn’t be able to shop anywhere.
Ed
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Matt (---.dyn.optonline.net)
- Verified User: g2matt
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 00:18
Dude, no one here buys scooters. This is a moped forum. lol.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: The Notable R. (---.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net)
jasonf - Date Posted: 10-15-05 01:31
To be fair, plenty of people here ride scooters too. Thanks for the head up. I would never plan on buying a new scooter personally, but I know there are plenty of people who do.
It is a moped forum. Sometimes it’s ok to post scooter related topics. I’d guage this post as more on-point than many off topic scooter related posts.
Also, the GS Motorworks site claims to sell mopeds, not that I can find any.
The site also seems to have some blatant propaganda in it.
For instance if you go to the camparisons section, you get things like, “How does the GS scoot match up to a Vespa scoot?”
They show things like the transmission of the GS having “Automatic with CVT” as opposed to the vespa having “CVT transformer with torque slave”.
Think about a CVT, a variator. “Torque slave” can only mean the springs in the unit, which the GS bike MUST ALSO HAVE.
The brake part say the GS scoot has ABS front brakes. I’m not even going to start on that. But it also says the front vespa brakes are hydraulic disc with manual command and the rears are drum with manual command. I assume this must mean levers, brake levers, which the GS must have as well, unless they’ve worked out some way of knowing when to stop without offering manual control.
The GS scoot offers remote start. Great. That helps. Right. Starting the bike without being on it is awesome. Right.
The top speed given for the GS is 35-40. THe top speed given for the Vespa is a much more specific 39.
Why would they use such wording to confuse consumers unless their business was a shitpile?
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: tortoise (---.dhcp.stgr.ut.charter.com)
- Verified User: tortoise
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 01:34
Specifically which scooter did you purchased, and what components failed? The website currently shows 9 scooter models with both 2 and 4 stroke engines.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Jerry (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: vulcan
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 01:38
This is a moped site,and despite the fact that their site calls their scooters mopeds,they are not.In order to be correctly called a moped,it must have both a MOtor and PEDals.I could not find any mopeds on their site,but didn’t really expect to.I did read all the FAQ,and there is some very disturbing fine print,like “Where are your scooters made?They are made in China,like most everything else,by a company that has been making scooters for over a decade”.And,”we do not offer a labor warranty with our scooters”.Did you read this before buying your scooter?I have heard a lot of horror stories just like yours,and the one word that keeps coming up in all of them,is”China”.I hate to say it,but it looks like you’re screwed.Their lawyers are way better than their scooters.Just out of curiosity,do you know what company actually made your scooter?Is there any kind of brand name on it,or the statement of origin?Jerry.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: donp (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
- Verified User: donp
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 08:06
its a scooter, this is a moped forum. why would we buy one?
oh wait. i know why. because some states call them mopeds.
but i know better..
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: UKBB (---.iad.untd.com)
- Verified User: ukbb
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 10:36
So my Tomos without pedals is a scooter then?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/ukbankerboy/A35-red.jpg
Ed
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: double (---.cpe.mountaincable.net)
- Verified User: double
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 11:19
Sounds logical to me!!!
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: donp (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
- Verified User: donp
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 11:47
depends on whether you have a tomos arrow or not. the arrow is a scooter. the others, without pedals, are nopeds.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: brianf (---.com)
brianf - Date Posted: 10-15-05 12:34
It’s a noped.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Freddie (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
- Verified User: freddiemoped
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 12:38
What da fuck is the difference. Why do you people have to get so fuckin technical. He is just advising the rest about this company. Give thanks and end of story.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Saabsonettguy (---.cable.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: saabsonettguy
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 12:38
What makes a tomos arrow a scooter? Its the same idea as the qt-50 and the fa-50 and they are both nopeds. The border line between the 3 (moped, noped, and scooter) is quickly getting smaller. In my book the main factor of what makes a scooter is the seating position with the feet in front of the body resting on a flat floorboard, body work and in most cases the motor and swing arm are one assembly with an enclosed belt or chain drive.
Sorry to rant but I don’t think the arrow is a scooter.
Grey
Live to ride, Ride to work
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: double (---.cpe.mountaincable.net)
- Verified User: double
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 13:45
Don’t get so touchy Freddy. Get out and ride tomorrow with the RCMP. Take your mind off the trivia.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: donp (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
- Verified User: donp
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 14:19
its not built as an engine assisted bicycle, and is built on a scooter platform. has much smaller and wider tires/wheels. and most importantly does not have pedals.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Jerry (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: vulcan
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 15:30
Mopeds have pedals.That much we know.As for the noped/scooter thing,for now I’ll stay out of it,because it’s a lot harder to define.To many variables.I thought the Arrow was available with pedals,and then there is the Honda Ruckus,which everybody calls a scooter,yet it has almost no bodywork.There are a lot of vehicles out there that don’t really fit well in any class.But mopeds have pedals.Jerry.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: heyfergy (---.client.mchsi.com)
- Verified User: heyfergy
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 18:00
okay….so yeah…the tomos arrow with pedals is a pedal powered scooter then? right. people need to get over this crap.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: donp (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
- Verified User: donp
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 19:11
mostly they just need to get educated.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Jerry (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: vulcan
- Date Posted: 10-15-05 22:15
Yeah.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: mike (---.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com)
miker - Date Posted: 10-16-05 02:27
the arrow has pedals. i have sold them all summer long.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Cyberian (---.dyn.optonline.net)
- Verified User: cyberian
- Date Posted: 10-16-05 20:03
OK then –
The Arrow has pedals, has the engine mounted below and forward of the rider, has no body panels and no floorboards, and yet it is still a Scooter?
Hmmmmmm . . . . .
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: donp (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
- Verified User: donp
- Date Posted: 10-16-05 20:07
i guess i’m mistaken. i was told they did not come with pedals and i believed it. sorry guys.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Cyberian (---.dyn.optonline.net)
- Verified User: cyberian
- Date Posted: 10-16-05 20:57
I’m writin’ this down!
The first and last time I knew something about ‘peds that donp didn’t know!!
:) :)
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: donp (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
- Verified User: donp
- Date Posted: 10-16-05 21:00
lol i’m not always right
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: tac (---.dsl.hrlntx.swbell.net)
- Verified User: tac
- Date Posted: 10-16-05 22:03
glad to have read this,don’t know much, just getting my feet wet thanks
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: informant (---.cust-rtr.swbell.ne)
- Verified User: informant
- Date Posted: 10-18-05 11:05
I bought the Retro LX, which their tech guy told me rarely ever had problems. Yeah, right! He said they have plenty of problems with the others, which I thought was a pretty dumb thing to say, but anyway.
The petcock valve is the part that apparently is faulty. It won’t allow gas to flow through it and into the carb. You can blow air freely through the gas line back into the tank, but nothing goes the correct way, down. They sent a new petcock valve, but it had the same problem. They later sent a new tank, which was identical to the first one. Don’t know why that would make a difference. A tank is just a holding device for the fuel. They both had the exact same exit holes on the bottom. No difference.
As for you moped folks. I’m not here to disrupt your specific discussions. However, MANY people don’t know the difference between a mop and scoo. They will find this site when doing research for mop’s or scoo’s. Therefore, I started a thread here. Don’t take offense. I’m just trying to protect people. Relax a little!
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Jerry (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: vulcan
- Date Posted: 10-18-05 14:46
Is there is a way to take the petcock valve apart to see what the problem is?Also,has this scooter ever even been started?See if you can rig a line from the gas tank to the carb without the petcock valve.From what I;ve seen of cheap Chinese scooters,a lot of the problems are caused by bad castings,and the petcock is probably made of cast parts.It probably has excess flashing from a defective mold in it that is plugging it up.Jerry.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: informant (---.cust-rtr.swbell.ne)
- Verified User: informant
- Date Posted: 10-18-05 16:15
Jerry,
I think you’re exactly right about the bad casting. There is no way to open it up and look at the inside though.
The scooter has never been started. I haven’t been able to get any gas into the line.
I may try getting a very thin drill bit an drilling into the opening of the petcock valve. This may clear the opening enough to allow gas through.
Thanks
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: donp (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
- Verified User: donp
- Date Posted: 10-18-05 21:05
most scooter petcocks are vacuum operated and will not open unless the engine is turning over. make sure all the gas lines are hooked up where they belong. the vacuum line usually goes on the intake manifold. you can get more and better help at scooterbbs.com than here since this is a moped website
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Jerry (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: vulcan
- Date Posted: 10-19-05 03:01
Yeah,I forgot about that possibility.The easy way to tell if it’s one of those,is if it has more than one place on it to attach a line to.The petcock should attach to the gas tank,and there should be a fuel line going from the petcock to the carb.If there is another fitting on the petcock,it will be for a vacuum line,which should attach to the intake manifold somewhere.However,if it’s a 50cc scooter,it may not have a vacuum petcock.50cc doesn’t produce much vacuum.But it’s worth checking.Jerry.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: donp (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
- Verified User: donp
- Date Posted: 10-19-05 07:11
jerry, it dont matter if its 50cc or not. the honda spree has this type of petcock and is 50cc. the spree has 3 fuel lines because there is no switch for reserve on the petcock. its all controlled by vacuum.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Jerry (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: vulcan
- Date Posted: 10-19-05 09:02
I didn’t say that it wasn’t possible,only that 50cc doesn’t have much vacuum.Both my motorcycles have vacuum petcocks.One is 600cc,the other one is 125cc.I hope thats all it turns out to be,but if it is,then this whole thread was for nothing.Thats the first thing I would have checked.Jerry.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: brianf (---.com)
brianf - Date Posted: 10-19-05 11:17
Looks like a moped but without pedals = noped.
Looks like you’re riding a toilet = scooter
It’s not difficult.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: tortoise (---.dhcp.stgr.ut.charter.com)
- Verified User: tortoise
- Date Posted: 10-19-05 11:17
This link may or may not be helpful:
Problems Starting New Scooter (around 1/3 down on the webpage)
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: brianf (---.com)
brianf - Date Posted: 10-19-05 11:19
Yeah, you can get them as a moped or noped.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: informant (---.cust-rtr.swbell.ne)
- Verified User: informant
- Date Posted: 10-19-05 14:33
donp,
I now think the problem is the lack of vaccum. I have two petcocks from GS Motorworks, so I decided to Dremel one of them apart. After inspecting, I saw no metal obstacle blocking the opening, so I’m pretty sure the scooter just isn’t producing enough of a vaccum.
I’ll do some more research to find out how to fix this problem. That is, if I don’t poor gasoline all over the scooter and light it up first!
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Jerry (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: vulcan
- Date Posted: 10-19-05 15:25
Does the petcock have a connector for a vacuum line,and if it does,do you have the vacuum line?If it is a vacuum petcock,there will be a diaphram in the petcock,and a connector somewhere in the intake system,either on the carb,or on the intake manifold.It’s possible it could even be located on the head or cylinder itself,but thats not likely.Jerry.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: donp (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
- Verified User: donp
- Date Posted: 10-19-05 17:07
suck on the vacuum hose to see if it causes fuel to flow. it only takes about 2 lbs of vacuum to open one up and make fuel flow. you can suck more than that by mouth. and, as i said before, ask about this at www.scooterbbs.com, you will get more knowledgeable answers there than you will get here.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: fratbone (---.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
daniel - Date Posted: 10-19-05 17:27
I’m glad I never hadda suck my PUCH!! :P
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: tac (---.dsl.hrlntx.swbell.net)
- Verified User: tac
- Date Posted: 11-23-05 22:05
mr donp: in your 10-15-05 coment, about mopeds have pedals, true i guess, however in several places, i have seen moped looking vehicals with no pedals. also my honda rcuckus, is listed on this web site as a moped. further i looked for a “genuine moped” the nearest dealer is over 100 miles away. my littel honda gets me from here to there, with no problem and i am delited with it, lots of fun to ride. question, is it not the purpose of this web site to promote the riding and enjoyment of moped like vehicles, or must i purchase a beatup piece of shit from the titanic in order to be a true mopeder? hmmm tac PS tac stands for terrible and contankorus
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Larry Picarello (---.dyn.optonline.net)
- Verified User: treehouse99
- Date Posted: 11-24-05 06:37
there is an interesting article on sorting out Chinese scooters in the new issue of Scoot Quarterly
sound like a lot of them are crap, how else could they be so cheap
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: ragstrecher (---.cable.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: ragstrecher
- Date Posted: 11-24-05 07:50
He hehe, He said, suck
just like a scooter
PUCH POWER
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Jerry (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: vulcan
- Date Posted: 11-24-05 10:33
Several companies(Tomos,Kinetic,Hero-Majestic,Avanti,Yumbo)still make brand new mopeds with pedals.It is,however,uncertain what will happen to these,as well as all the cheap 2-stroke Chinese scooters,after January 1st.As for the definition of a moped,it must have a MOtor and PEDals to be technically a moped.The word “moped” is actually an acronym for motor+pedals.Many states,as well as many members of this forum,are now considering other vehicles without pedals as mopeds.But to a purest like myself,in order to be called a moped,pedals will always be necessary.They are actually part of the name.Mopeds also have a long history,the very first motorized cycles were mopeds.Scooters didn’t come along until much later.Jerry.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: benny (---.proxy.aol.com)
- Verified User: benny
- Date Posted: 11-24-05 21:26
>Mopeds also have a long history,the very first motorized cycles were mopeds.Scooters didn’t come along until much later.Jerry.<
Japan also put the Wizzer motor bike out of business. Today it’s China taking over.
>http://motorcycles.about.com/cs/scooters/a/scooters.htm<
The earliest Cushman scooters were sold in 1937 and known as Auto-Glide models. The original Auto-Glides sold for $132 to $140. By 1938 Cushman had nine models of scooters.
They continued to build scooters in what they called the twenty series and thirty series until World War II. Then all scooter production went to the war effort. Some wartime scooters were designed to be dropped from airplanes and they were used for other military duties.
The fifty series of scooters after the war resulted in something the Cushman Company called “The Family Scooter.” These were scooters with automatic clutch and were simple to operate.
The Cushman Eagle scooters were first sold in 1949. They looked like miniature motorcycles and gained in popularity becoming the best sellers for Cushman. In the early sixties the Japanese invasion of motorcycles began and other scooters began being imported to the USA. In 1961 Cushman actually decided to distribute Vespa scooters in the US. Cushman discontinued the Eagle scooter in 1965 and soon the entire line. Thereafter they concentrated on building industrial and commercial vehicles including golf cars.
Surprisingly, Cushman is a survivor and exists today under the parent company of Textron. Indeed, Cushman celebrated its 100th anniversary in June, 2001 at their plant in Lincoln, Nebraska.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: benny (---.proxy.aol.com)
- Verified User: benny
- Date Posted: 11-24-05 21:58
The history of the Moped.
http://www.torontomopeds.com/mopedhistory.htm
For the third time it seemed the moped was finished. And for the third time, it bounced back.
In 1997, close to 12 million were produced world wide. And while the distinction between ‘true-blue’ mopeds (with pedals) and their siblings without (‘no-peds’) and even scooters gets blurred (watch the emergence of the ‘cyclo-scooter’), the staying power of small engine-powered 2-wheelers is now undisputed.
Scooter———-
http://motorcycles.about.com/cs/scooters/a/scooters.htm
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: donp (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
- Verified User: donp
- Date Posted: 11-25-05 14:27
actually, the guys who own this site enjoy the old style moped over these new scooters that are being listed as mopeds in most states due to the flooded market of chinese bikes. if you go back and reread my statement, thats what i said. because in most states they are listed as mopeds. but a true moped has pedals.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: benny (---.proxy.aol.com)
- Verified User: benny
- Date Posted: 11-25-05 15:20
- Attachment: 1132950029_1_0085_small.jpg
>actually, the guys who own this site enjoy the old style moped over these new scooters that are being listed as mopeds<
>but a true moped has pedals.<
True——-I like the Puch, 1 speed, 1 HP moped myself. That bike seems to run forever with little or no problems.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: benny (---.proxy.aol.com)
- Verified User: benny
- Date Posted: 11-25-05 15:23
Correction——
I like the Puch, 1 speed, 2 HP moped myself.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Jerry (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
- Verified User: vulcan
- Date Posted: 11-25-05 18:59
Yes,a moped has pedals.Peace.Jerry.
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Re: DON'T BUY THIS SCOOTER…
- Author: Trebek (170.76.20.---)
- Verified User: trebek
- Date Posted: 11-28-05 10:12
I highly recommend checking out the better business bureau
at www.bbb.org before you buy any moped/scooter. I almost screwed up and bought from a company with several unresolved complaints (of course I would have saved $30).
Strange, I can’t find GS motorworks on bbb’s site, nor can I find GS’s address on GS’s site.
I think the original poster should try to contact the bbb and report them.
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